Mexican 'Drug Cartels' in Hilo and Kona?

[skydawg]

Centipede,I`ve observed a helluva lot since the 60`s,I`m 59 and was there at the start of the drugging down of this country.I saw my friend hock his mother`s tv to buy speed,6 months after smoking his first joint,another waste a full scholarship because he fell in love with dope.I spent years as a musician and saw some incredible talent go to waste.And closer to home,an RN who is currently collecting over $600/wk "DISABILITY",because she couldn`t resist keeping some of the patient`s meds for herself.Guess who`s paying the tab,taxpayers?So you don`t know what I know or don`t know or what I`ve seen or haven`t seen.Just because you might "maintain" functionally better than some others,you`re still defending a lifestyle of losses and losers,by and large.

[Samdooby]

Some more info in regards to cartels in the US. Vicious...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090419/ap_o...ht_at_home

[centipede]

Samdooby, you are a very sensitive person; one who likes to dish it out but goes to pieces when it's tossed back.

You lit the fuse when you called me "silly" for saying llegals = drugs & violence when I made no such connection other than speculation based upon newspapers, TV, and personal experience. In another posting, you called me "funny" and started rambling about tacos. Now you're saying my posts are ridiculous, you called me a tough guy, and you're saying your previous post was a joke. Samdooby, I'm a very serious person on serious issues and have a great sense of humor on humorous issues, and I see nothing funny about the subject before us. Nothing funny at all. Whenever I responded to your attacks against me and the subject, I backed up my defense with facts that are common knowledge and beliefs that are shared by tens of millions. You make statements without substance. But perhaps you are correct so please do us all a favor and elaborate as to where my posts are ridiculous. Prove it and I'll be the first to admit you are right, and I will convert and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you in the moral crusade to wipe every illegal drug off the face of the earth. And while we're at it, let's do it right and ban alcohol and nicotine as well because their abuse kills more people and ruins more lives than use of all the illegal drugs combined.

In your latest posting, you provided a link to a drug-related trajedy which to me, at least, was something I was already aware of. It reminded me of the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre of 1929, which was a direct result of the government making alcohol illegal. Again, Samdooby, drugs per se are not the major problem; keeping them illegal is.

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Originally posted by Samdooby

Hold on there centipede dont start acting tough and making assumptions, calling out people and such, okay tough guy???

Your posts are ridiculous and jump to so many conclusions on various levels. What I posted was a joke to calm the tension down in here. Nothing more, nothing less.

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[centipede]

skydawg, I'll be 62 next month. I was born and raised in New York, and have lived there on and off for about 50 years. Let it suffice to say I've seen my share as well, and I agree with you in the strongest possible terms that anyone who abuses any legal or illegal drug is a loser. The nurse in your posting was a good example of such a personality. She was like an irresponsible, unsupervised, diabetic kid in a candy store but rather than fitting the profile of a nurse, she was nothing more than another drug-abusing loser. You saw a friend in a downward spiral 6 months after smoking his first joint. Was he drinking before he started smoking? Are you suggesting that social drinkers who also "maintain functionality" better than others are likewise defending a lifestyle of losses and losers? If not, what are you saying???

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Originally posted by skydawg

Centipede,I`ve observed a helluva lot since the 60`s,I`m 59 and was there at the start of the drugging down of this country.I saw my friend hock his mother`s tv to buy speed,6 months after smoking his first joint,another waste a full scholarship because he fell in love with dope.I spent years as a musician and saw some incredible talent go to waste.And closer to home,an RN who is currently collecting over $600/wk "DISABILITY",because she couldn`t resist keeping some of the patient`s meds for herself.Guess who`s paying the tab,taxpayers?So you don`t know what I know or don`t know or what I`ve seen or haven`t seen.Just because you might "maintain" functionally better than some others,you`re still defending a lifestyle of losses and losers,by and large.

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[centipede]

Samdooby & skydawg, you are both newbies and may not have read the posting "Legal Pot Coming?" If so, it's currently on page 4 and since you are both passionate in your opposition to the issue, you may find lots of ammunition in which to support your side of the argument.

[maggo]

(1)the m13 tat = a salvadoran gang now nation wide
(2)the "cartels" if you mean thr Latin Americans are in Hawaii in competition with Asian gansters, just not at street levels like in the mainland
(3)the weed growers are a completly different group of players from finance to distribution

been there, did the time, nothing changes

woof woof woof

[aprild]

Interesting discussion.

MSNBC has two 'specials' -- one on marijuana and another on the Mexican cartels.

From personal experience I would say that wherever there are Mexicans (and maybe even where there aren't, if there is such a place) the Mexican drug cartels have a presence.
They are growing huge grows in No. California and elsewhere and you can tell it's them by the tortilla wrappers and other trash littered about -- and I'm not kidding about that.

I found the MSNBC programs to be factual as far as my own knowledge & experience went, so I am guessing that they are very well-researched. Check them out if you are interested in this subject.

One thing they mentioned is that the cartels kidnap Mexicans in Mexico and send the men to the US to grow or else they will kill their families. These people are a horrible element.

I spent 3 months in a small fishing village (in transition to becoming a large tourist town) north of Puerto Vallarta. Nothing like staying in one place and getting to know the locals to give you a new perspective on a country. Everyone knew where the 'drug house' was--it was pointed out to me by all sorts of people. Mexico is one of the most corrupt places I have ever witnessed or heard about. Everyone gets paid off. I mean everyone. I hated the slimey, organized crime aspect of the place. Of course, there were 'nice' people, but even some of those nice people--well, what exactly do you know about them? That whole aspect turned my stomach. I don't much care for northern Mexico anyhow. Get me down south of Oaxaca-- mo bettah. But still not perfect--what I mean is that I'm certain that sort of thing goes on there as well.

Wake up people. It is not 'racist' to tell the truth. There are bad people and they take advantage of their own people, too.

Mexico has always had banditos and other 'wild west' qualities, drugs and corruption. It can be a dangerous place. It's horrible that they have brought that into the US. But, it's true--we are the market for drugs and if Americans didn't buy drugs, they would go away.

Know your grower and source--stick to ganja. I'm sure the Mex Cartels don't grow organically.

april

[LeeE]

Yes, it's a wonder, eh?

Legal status calls the shots here and creates the environment and price, not demand.

Here's three photo's that tell the story.

1. AL GORE AND HILLARY CLINTON POSE WITH DRUG TRAFFICKER JORGE CABRERA

http://www.wethepeople.la/drugs2.htm

2. New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) Chairman Richard Grasso with a FARC Commmander (Columbian guerrilla leader)

http://www.oilempire.us/drugs.html

[centipede]

Good one, LeeE. It sort of lays some suspicion as to why certain drugs remain illegal while other more poisonous drugs aren't. Disgusting, isn't it?

What seems to be missed in all this nonsense is that the USA is not the only market for drugs.

This is as good a time as any to reiterate the contemptuous lunacy in switching the illegality of booze to marijuana (it happened within a relatively short period of time), and address additional issues as well. It has to do with logistics, practicality, profit, and manufactured social acceptance. For argument's sake (and using VERY round numbers throughout this discussion), a bottle of whisky weighs 3 pounds and consumes 100 cubic inches of space. The manufacturing process involves all kinds of vats, cooking, and distilling. That 3 pound bottle, which retails for $25.00 plus government-imposed tax, may last an average person, who has one stiff drink a day, about 2 weeks. By comparison, an average person who smokes one joint a day may consume half an ounce of weed, which costs $150.00 with no government-imposed tax, and it's a product that requires next to no cost for industrial processing or labor that's commonly associated with legitimate enterprise. In the past 40 years, a bottle of booze may have increased 100% while an ounce of weed has gone up 1000%. For packaging, processing, shipping, handling, and profit, the comparisons are electrifying. Now, add to this the common knowledge as to how socially destructive alcohol abuse can be. Then compare the wildly popular and cute "The Thin Man", which followed the end of prohibition and made drinking fun and carefree, to the filthy lies of "Reefer Madness" which terrified an ignorant public as to the dangers of marijuana in order to make it illegal, and it was done with little more than a signature. On the other hand, the start and end of Prohibition involved acts of Congress and Amendments to the Constitution. In view of the above, ask yourself how a government that couldn't stop the flow of illegal alcohol and was directly responsible for creating a crime syndicate that turned the streets of America into a shooting gallery would think, even in its wildest delusions, that they could eradicate marijuana (or, as we will see below, white powders). Think about it. Then think about it again. And again. And then remember that Joseph P. Kennedy was a bootlegger.

Last week's Sunday NY Times magazine section had an article on Columbians building "semisubmersible" craft (most of it travels underwater with a bit sticking up on the surface). They're made mostly out of plastic, cost about $500,000.00 each, and are used once. There's a crew of 4, they use GPS gizmos, and navigate to within a few hundred miles of the mainland where they are met by fast boats. The stuff is unloaded, and the craft is then sunk. The Coast Guard captured one off Costa Rica in 2006, and it's on display at the Truman Annex, NAS Key West. It was 49 feet long, had 3 tons of coke and as the photo shows and the Times sort of mentions, it looks like something out of a science-fiction movie. Definitely not a slapped-together piece of junk. About 45 of them were made in 2007, they're projecting that about 70 will be made this year, and they're thought to carry about 30% of Columbia's total coke export to the mainland. Elsewhere in the article, the carrying capacity is quoted at 10 tons. They were talking about Tamil rebels builing them as well, so I'm not sure where one sub begins and another ends. I realize this is drifting a bit from the posted topic, but it's in the ballpark and in a somewhat perverse way, it's kinda cool.

Newbies who are interested in this stuff, please read an earlier posting "Legal Pot Coming?"

[Greg]

Here's a toon on the subject.

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