DLNR Arrests Guide For Illegal Lava Tours

[snorkle]

That's a good point Kala.

Mahalo to the County for restricting entry to the homestead lots and their private roads during the lava emergency. Rainydrainy would have us believe that the County's prohibition is cause to trespass.

[kalakoa]

restricting entry to the homestead lots and their private roads

Precedent set: close the PEAR and RR bypass routes.

[Jeremy Lutes]

If I recall correctly, the front-page photo of Tulsi Gabbard standing near the active flow front was accompanied by a caption claiming that she was on active duty with the National Guard at the time. Further, the location of that photo-op was *private* land in Pahoa Village, not public lands.

[VancouverIslander]

*sarcasm on* Perhaps we should close access to all roads. They are dangerous, after all, and law suits for allowing access to such dangerous areas could ensue. Better, perhaps we should enact a law to make sure everyone stays at home in bed so as to avoid risk.*sarcasm off*

Or maybe we should write laws to make people responsible for their own mistakes, thus removing frivolous law suits like being scalded by hot coffee and other such nonsense from taking up time in the courts and slowing down the judicial system for important things like major crimes. I used to admire the US for it's pioneer spirit and "the land of the free", but the more intimate I get with the politics, the more I see it seems to be turning in to the land of the timid and the home of the nanny state.

Nobody here is advocating trespassing on private land. Snorkle, your making a straw man argument. Rainyjim never said it's ok, just that silly rules make trespassers out of otherwise honest people who don't heed the signs. Not questioning the silly rules smacks of sklavenmoral.

I no longer use the trail at the end of Captain's drive, not because it's dangerous (it isn't), but because some bureaucrat has decided to put up signs prohibiting access. I never trespass on private property. It's in my nature to follow rules, even if they are silly, but it bothers me no end when people come up with and then try to defend silly rules. Lost tourists should be charged the cost of their rescues. They do that at ski resorts all the time now.

If my property is inundated with lava, I doubt I'd bother posting signs to prevent travel or care much if anyone did. If I rebuilt, I might fence and post signs. But that's just me. Anyone with private lands has the right to post signs and fence it in to discourage trespass.

Just call me Mike

[rainyjim]

You bring up an interesting point Jeremy.

Can anyone explain just how the national guard was protecting us from lava?

Was protection from lava the reason they were at the flow?

Has the national guard ever been summoned for a lava flow before this?

FWIW, snorkel, I suggest you read for comphrehension not opportunity for personal attacks.

Cherry picking a few words from my post and quoting them out of context has no bearing on any meaning I meant to convey. I'd like to believe most of not all readers here on punaweb can see that these constructs hold little meaning and say more about the detractor than their target. What's more I go on to refute your ludicrous claim in the sentence following where you cherry picked my words. I am left to assume you either didn't read my entire post or that logic doesn't matter to you in light of your own agenda. We call these people idealist. They stand apart from rational thinking and shape their beliefs however they see fit to further their own agenda.

[snorkle]

kalakoa suggests;
"Precedent set: close the PEAR and RR bypass routes."


snorkle agrees;
Of course! If public safety were dependent on closing the routes they definitely should/would.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Was protection from lava the reason they were at the flow?

I believe the main reason for the National Guard presence was to provide security and privacy for residents who lived in the path of the flow. The guard was stationed at Apa'a and Pahoa Village Road, as well as near the Post Office intersection so the people living between the checkpoints did not have to contend with a steady stream of gawkers. Also, other Puna residents were moving north of the flow, and the guard presence was meant to deter possible looting of vacant homes.

[snorkle]

I am extremely amused at the inconsistent rantings of all the armchair Municipal Administrators out there(No, I'm not talking about you)

Go back a Month or so;

"Evacuate! Divert!, "Tear up the Asphalt! Build a Berm/ditch/Bridge/Zipline! "Where's the National Guard?", "What's the National Guard doing here?"

The fact is; The County Administration has acted in a prudent, responsible manner. The eruption isn't over, the only way to deal with it is as it comes.

The County isn't only concerned about the safety of curious hikers; they are concerned about the security and well being of property owners who may have lost souls wandering through their property seeking a picture somewhere over yonder.

How would YOU deal with the complex details and layers of protection? There's Marshall Law on one extreme, and anarchy on the other. There's money to be spent, and personnel to deploy.

Talk about Cherry picking.....You people have no clue what it takes to manage a Municipal Government during a crisis. Sit on your porch and rock; Have another beer, spout all the answers. In the punaweb universe, we are the Manager of the Year; In the real world, we're in the bleachers.

[rainyjim]

I think having a discussion is reasonable.

I can't speak for anyone else but I can easily conclude that I definitely do not have all the answers.

I would never have it be thought that I do, or have any think I imagine to possess all the answers.

In spite of not being the fount of all knowledge I think it is necessary to hold civil discourse in matters which hold domain in public interest.

Perhaps some tire of seeing the county and state endlessly rebuked for incompetency. Fine.

Perhaps some who feel as aforementioned are in the employ of one of the aforementioned agencies. Fine.

Regardless it speaks volumes when someone tries to silence people giving input.

The imbalance between the praise for local government versus criticism is also quite telling.