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by Eric 1600: Can you kill an ocean or lake? Can you really injure a river? Those are all very subjective ideas...
Hope I have not taken this out of context, but the answer is clearly that you can kill or damage a river or a lake. (Ocean damage is infinitely harder.) Such as by dumping poison in them. Or setting off an A-bomb.
This is not subjective at all. It is purely factual.
I agree that the question of how much TMT would damage the environment is subjective. There is physical damage, i.e., modification of the site in preparation for building, but beyond that the facts are open to dispute and interpretation. Subjectivity arises.
The Hawaiians' case is mostly religious. Such as abortion, existence of God, death penalty, etc. Religious debates are generally futile.
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The Hawaiians' case is mostly religious. Religious debates are generally futile.
Some religious debates center around beliefs. Or eternal truths. Or historical practices. Then there are those that have no central core, they're a new age smorgasbord of tenets chosen ala carte, a BYO pot luck, with their most sacred site for worship and prayer coincidentally in the same location as the one thing they've chosen to fight against.
Not a fight against corrupt officials keeping them off of their rightful homestead, and out of a home they could live in on lands legally designated for their families, with room for alters, places to practice their beliefs, churches and temples, but blocked by the policies of DHHL. No, their religion is against a telescope. If they win, their religion will get them no telescope, as well as no homestead for the foreseeable future.
It's certainly a choice for the Hawaiian people to make. Hopefully one that will include all voices, even the quieter ones.
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MarkD, not the right context. The context was not metaphoric. It was literal. Read the link she provided. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/m...uman-being
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to Eric Thx for correction. You folks put out a large volume of info and I did not go into it all. I should have. signed, uninformed commenter
HOTPE Within a day or two I expect to put out a new thread observing that native Hawaiians' reverence for shorelines seems to be better documented than that for Maunakea and that they should redirect their energies. Hope to hear your views...
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Someone has now taken to producing graffiti on Mauna Kea rocks.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/35364...ion-opened
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graffiti on Mauna Kea rocks.
It's hard to imagine after everything that's occurred on Mauna Kea in the last two years, with all that's been said, that anyone on this island would come up with the big idea to tag boulders on the mountaintop, buy cans of spray paint at the hardware store, drive up Saddle Road for an hour, get out of their car & look around them at Mauna Kea and all the world that surrounds them on high -- and after all that still think they had an idea worth carrying out to completion.
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I was going to say that it may be down to the altitude, but that can't be the case, as it wouldn't explain why they bought the paint in the first place.
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the altitude
Yes, too bad the spray paint cans didn't "pop" like your story about the potato chip bags in the trunk, wasn't it? Can you imagine a couple of pressurized cans of paint bursting a seam in the back seat of the taggers car or truck, a fine mist of white enamel filling the cab, coating the inside of the windows, covering the seats, and idiots inside? That would have been some quick justice. For a change.
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HOTPE, how did you know the paint was white enamel? We're gonna need you to come in for questioning...
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"The messaging is in support of stopping the bombing, so we don't necessarily have a problem with the messaging, but we have a problem with the method," Kealoha Pisciotta said. "Mauna Kea is a temple, Mauna Kea is a place of worship and a burial ground, and this kind of activity disrespects the realm and importance of Mauna Kea."
But rolling rocks around for their own purposes (to barricade a road, trapping people at the summit) is not disrespectful?
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