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don't see any protectors stopping the saddle road construction
Let's make a list, shall we?
Starting with "cesspools"...
They'd better get back to Standing Rock right away, too:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ener...pipelines/
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better get back to Standing Rock
In another few months, attempting to advance an agenda based on an acre or two of non-endangered lichens will begin to look old-timey and quaint, like a man trying to tell you how crystal clear and in focus half the world has become ever since he started wearing his monocle.
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Excellent point. I wonder if anyone in the new administration will get involved if/when they hear about a major opportunity leaving the US for Spain, including the loss of jobs and reputation.
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Eric Hansen needs to go back to school. What is his argument that the plants and lichens are unique to that area, and what is his data? When asked about how he got his information, he was like "Cuz I was on my knees looking at it". Doesn't sound very scientific.
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"When asked about how he got his information, he was like "Cuz I was on my knees looking at it". Doesn't sound very scientific."
It certainly wasn't, and the repeated "hands and knees" claim was one of the overly-defensive behaviors I was referring to. It didn't help when he had a go at his "boss" who, unlike Hansen, is a qualified research scientist.
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Can we trust the Office of Mauna Kea management and what studies did they make this convenient decision from?
You don't have to trust the Office of Mauna Kea Management, because as stated in the article for which you provided a link, the endangered species list is overseen by:
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
Endangered Species Act – or ESA
Candidate Notice of Review, a yearly appraisal of the current status of the world’s many creatures.
The Office of Mauna Kea Management does not conveniently, or inconveniently decide whether to list, or not list the Wekiu bug.
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From the link you provided...
It seems more than one agency likes what has been going on around the summit!
"The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has released its Candidate Notice of Review, a yearly appraisal of the current status of the world’s many creatures....
...The federal service says the removal of the Wekiu bug is based on the successful management of the summit of Mauna Kea on the island of Hawaii. Survey work resulted in more than doubling the number of sites where this species is found. The protection and monitoring of the Wekiu bug provided through the management plans for Mauna Kea has precluded the need to list this species, say officials."
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Gypsy
Do you read anything that you link to ?
From the link you provided.
"Fergerstrom was in a bad mood that day. Moments before taking the stand, hearing officer Judge Riki May Amano (ret.) blocked one of Fergerstrom’s witnesses, Williamson B.C. Chang, from being cross-examined. Amano denied the offer of proof, ruling that Chang’s testimony – which challenged the state’s territorial subject matter jurisdiction over Mauna Kea – was not an issue in the hearing. Fergerstrom had flown Chang into Hilo to testify."