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Thank you,Rob.Very informative.
About this radius thing - who has the honor to calculate?[ ]
Any parcel that is 300' or less from a property line anyplace on the property in question. The property owner is responsible for calculation and notification. (Many of the realtors have a program that can calculate it for them).
There have been questions about notifications and 300', so it is (strongly) suggested than the notifications are sent registered mail as proof and that much care is taken with who is notified.
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The Puna Community Development Plan (PCDP) calls for wider notification - perhaps to at least 500'. But that call has not yet made its way into a code revision.
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Thank you,Cat and Rob.
So Rob,when you complain,does the bar owner send you his gift basket with the staff to"calm down"[  ]?
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well, last time I complained there was awful loud recorded music at 2 am. I got dressed, walked over, went inside, walked back to the pool table area, saw that the stereo was blaring with no one there, and I turned the volume down to 2. Went home and went to bed.
It was frustrating to have all that noise and not even anyone there to listen to it.
During these years there have been a number of elderly neighbors, some in bad health who must be bothered at times though most of them have now passed away or moved to life care. I suspect they never expected, when growing up int he 1930's, to find themselves someday bombarded with something called rock & roll. But the neighborhood changed, new people moved in, some nicer and some ruder and it happens all the time all over the world.
Currently the location is the Pahoa Village Cafe and they have been no problem. Mahalo to them.
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Hey Rob,
Turning down the stereo reminded of college life and living in the dorms. As an engineering student I didn't really get the full satisfaction of living in the dorms as some of my "non-studying major" dorm friends, but one weeknight I couldn't take the stereo turned to "11" so I walked down the hall and lo and behold found an empty room. After turning the stereo down to -off, I locked the offending dorm room's door and went to bed. Hmmm, on hind sight, that was kinda' satisfying. Oh, well. I figured I would add a bit of random nonsense to this thread, and yes, I am slightly jealous of those that really got to enjoy college.
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Rob,my understanding that you bought your property with all the commercial line already in place (75 yards).
At least you didn't get a surprise "gift" like the cell tower in front of your house like John the Architect.
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I don't personally know the details of this post other than what I've read here, but I do know at least something that applies. As time goes on, it will always come to this: The people with the most money and the loudest voices will ultimately ALWAYS get their way. Nothing against money. I've been friends with a couple of new money people that were very humble, down to earth.... the minority I think.
However, the fact is most people who got into a money position on their own got it by looking out for number one, deciding what THEY want and pushing HARD to get it. And they win, and they are used to getting what they want. Once they get there, they are not going to change.
As more people move to Puna, you had all better just resign yourself to the fact that you will have to live by the rules made by the people who move here having the loudest voice and the most money. It's the way of the world. Call me all kinds of bad things.... don't really care. It's just a fact.
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The people with the most money and the loudest voices will ultimately ALWAYS get their way.
There's a few exceptions: Ralph Nader and cars, pollution credits solving the acid rain problem, more as I think of them.
Money is a tool, sure. Organizational ability is a tool, as is political power. Don't equate wealthy people with politically powerful people. Note that most politicians aren't filthy rich, some are moderately rich, sure. And note that lobbyists exist as the interface between the power and the money.
There's moneyed interests aligned against SPACE and village center zoning, you bet. The people that own all the commercial lots in Kea'au and Hilo have absolutely no desire to see us stop driving there.
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As more people move to Puna, you had all better just resign yourself to the fact that you will have to live by the rules made by the people who move here having the loudest voice and the most money. It's the way of the world. Call me all kinds of bad things.... don't really care. It's just a fact.
It is fact, but a hard fact for some to come to grips with.
In the 60's, do you think the people who drew up that General Plan had any idea what Puna would be today? They saw agricultural for Puna so all the zoning was based on their vision of Puna and what they felt was the best direction for Puna's future.
Years later, new people created a change and their version of the General Plan saw agricultural with some residential, and a couple of commercial centers. All the zoning was now based on their visions of Puna and what they now felt was the best direction for Puna's future. Probably thought the last group of planners had no vision or couldn't plan their way out of a paper bag.
Of course, years later, the makeup of Puna has changed again, populations shifted, needs expanded, and the prior visions have been flushed down the toilet. So again, the newest new arrivals and their needs have changed Puna from the vision of the prior planners. Today’s needs are different and people are working to make those changes. Like their predecessors, they will work to develop a plan to address current and future needs based upon their vision of Puna and Puna's future.
Years from now, the same scenario will be repeated, and those people will be looking at today’s people and wondering what fool drafted the plan. This is just the way life is. Everything drafted today is for today. As time passes, those peoples vision will change and trump today’s vision and they will do what they want for them. It will be their Puna, so they get to make the rules, just like todays Puna is not the Puna of the prior drafters of the General Plan.
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[i] And note that lobbyists exist as the interface between the power and the money.
I really did want people to think about how "the little guy CAN win sometimes" and also how much effort it takes. Constant, eternal vigilance.
Corvair for example.... lots of effort and years to get a small victory. But it didn't change how the costs and benefits are calculated by GM or any other entity when it comes to profits, costs of fixing that which is broken and they know it, versus costs of lawsuits.
At the local Puna level, if the "originals" or the "currents" who have a vision and want to keep things in line with that vision, it takes constant and everlasting vigilance on their part. For the "little guy", that is a big sacrifice in time and effort. Let their guard down for just a short time and the outcome will not be to their liking.
And the fact that "lobbyists exist as the interface between power and money, I agree but think it's more between vision and the power to make that vision. The "little guy" needs to do it all on his/her own at great personal expense, and constantly maintain a personal level of activity and voice. The "money guy" just needs to have a vision that suits him, hire the loud and powerful voices (lobbyist, lawyers, etc) to constantly press their case, wait for a vulnerability, and watch their vision come true at no "personal" expense to them.
It's very hard for the "little guy" to keep it up over the long term and sooner or later the vulnerabilities will become apparent. For those people in Puna that (1)don't have a lot of money and (2)like the current "vision" for Puna, just be aware that it takes your constant voice, activities and vigilance to push back the constant, powerful voices paid for by the monied crowd. Without that, they WILL win.
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