Census Cover up?

[808blogger]

Yeah sort of like how you can be "within" the County of Hawaii which is a corporation, I would like to see how i can be within a corporation. i'm glad you like the law applying to you.

[808blogger]

"If you have nothing to hide" freedom killing words

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Originally posted by mdd7000

If these paranoid delusional types that live all over Puna would have been smart enough to fill it out and mail it back in the first place, they wouldn't have someone paying them a visit later.

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[DaVinci]

I'm fairly certain that the census takers have the right to go on the property. And the census takers have the right to ask the questions and leave the form if you don't reply... and if you don't reply, you are breaking the law. We're in the U.S. guys, until the monarchy makes a comeback at least.

DaVInci

[DaVinci]

It seems to me that all this talk about the Constitution is a bit misguided, since the pertaining law is part of the U.S.Code, (TITLE 13, CHAPTER 7, SUBCHAPTER II, § 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers) which is free to be challenged by any lawyer in the country who thinks the law is unconstitutional. And thus far, year in and year out, the law goes unchallenged. So maybe, just maybe, it's actually not as oppressive as you make it out to be. Also, that's the U.S. Code... it has nothing to do with the County of Hawaii (or the Corporation of Hawaii, or whatever else your addled brain comes up with.) And finally, the actual questions this time around are perhaps the least intrusive set in a long time. Maybe those of you screaming and whining about your freedom ought to take five minutes and actually read the damn thing. It does a LOT of good to be counted, and answering the questions is not depriving anyone of any basic freedoms... (sheesh!)

DaVInci

[Bullwinkle]

The issue was a (is) a tempest in a tea cup - 4 cops not getting along ... could have been solved with a 100 dollar ticket .... but nope they want to make a federal case.

If the feds want to folks welcome the census takers on to private property. The census may want reconsider sending a retired policeman - it can be intimidating dealing with high hormone police types for the layman.

- Cop #1 claims the retired cop census taker was peeking in windows. It was home town justice from there imho.

straying off topic a bit ---- hometown justice got me thinking - Who will turn up on all the videos Sharkies took of his drug deals .... one to watch

edityntax

[chrism]

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Originally posted by mdd7000

If these paranoid delusional types that live all over Puna would have been smart enough to fill it out and mail it back in the first place, they wouldn't have someone paying them a visit later.

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Hi, I live on the lower end of Glennwood in Fern Forest. Any thoughts on the following, because I gotta say I'm pretty upset about what just happened a couple minuets ago. A census worker just went over the chain across my driveway, walked past 4 or 5 "no trespassing" & other "beware" signs down a 600 foot driveway, she walks around a bend and up to my house and looks in through my screen door to say "hello, I'm from..." holding a clip board but talking as if she's high as a kite. Yep, never has anyone been so bold before, but there she was, looking at me through the screen door in my boxers and my wife who was on our bed breast feeding my 5 month old son. (Its a small house) Now, I wouldn't be so upset if we had been a couple of "dead beat's" who hadn't been cooperating with them and this was their action of last resort because we hadn't sent in our census questionnaire. However, we did fill it out & and we mailed it back to them months ago. But here is this young woman who comes out of no where, and looking into my house (Startling the CRAP out of me & my wife)wanting information about my neighbors? Come on!! Couldn't they have put their questions on paper and tied it to the gate like the ones we filled out for them before? Isn't it going too far for them to ignore a chain across the driveway, ignore the posted warning signs, and not even announce themselves as the came into sight of the house? Isn't this feeling of invulnerability that these census people have bound to get someone hurt? I mean even HELCO employees that have come and gone on our property had the common sense to hollar as they approached. We're talking about a house where the residents have already complied with the census and given the department no reason to think the residents wouldn't fill out additional documentation if it was left on their gate as before? They can just look into a house in the middle of the woods and say "We're here" and not expect the half dressed residents (who have been playing by the rules) to be upset? Isn't this an abuse? Could the census rep have opened my door and entered my home if she wanted her answers badly enough?
Do I have grounds to file a complaint? Should I have called the police?

[Frankie Stapleton]

Chrism, I just responded to your post on the other link, about trespassing and litter. fs

[dmbwest]

Chris,

YES to all your questions ... Hope you got her name.

aloha,
pog

[JerryCarr]

Predictably, the charges have been dismissed, although a trial would have been interesting. I would love to have seen the explanation provided under oath by the census taker, the resident police officer, and those who arrested the census taker.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20100...harge.html

[Carey]

It is interesting, in todays Trib, they stated that the census worker was exonerated, but that he is leaving the island island because of the nightmare.

They did identify the off duty police officer that refused to accept the census forms as Kenneth Ishii.

They also reported that this whole thing will result in federal, state & county re-training of census workers AND police staff (I am sure that this will cost TAX DOLLARS....)