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Probably for the best.
It is an emotional topic just brought to the front page by our Governor. I do want to remind everyone to agree to disagree. I don't know of one subject which 100% of the people are on the same side.
Assume the best and ask questions.
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DaVinci, I love the way you dance to avoid the hard (but simple) questions. Make fun of the question, say its not about Hawaii, call the person names and then don't answer the question. It sounds as though you may have finally have accepted the fact that I disagree with you. Good for you.
BY the way here is some of the substance, as you say, I have been offered on this thread. I am a bigoted, backwards, KKK sympatheic, ignorant, friend of Bubba, nazi loving fool. Nice! So much for understanding other views and agreeing to disagree.
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What do you think the overturn of Prop 8 in California will have on our civil unions bill the next time?
I find it interesting that a judge appointed by a republican (Reagan)to his first judicial position, and Bush to his federal judicial position, and who is a self proclaimed libertarian, and although has been accused of being insensitive to gay rights, made a straight up decision based on the law. The actual law. not lobbying.
I mean this guy could pretty much irritate all the groups equally - Rep, Dems, Gays, religious right. I like a judge that has all the basis covered! Good for you Judge Walker!
Robguz, there is still hope for Hawaii.
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Yeah, I guess it all depends on whether Abercrombie becomes governor or not. The said thing is it has been, I think, 17 years since our own State Supreme Court said essentially the same things as this judge and in a state with an 80%+ democratic majority in the legislature they haven't even been able to get through a weak civil union bill.
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quote:
Originally posted by Kapohocat
What do you think the overturn of Prop 8 in California will have on our civil unions bill the next time?
Based on the ruling, Hawaii's ban is also unconstitutional and can be challenged on the same points. If the 9th Circuit upholds the Judge's ruling, Hawaii's ban would become void and Hawaii couldn't impose restrictions on same sex marriages.
ETA: If you haven't read the Judges order, it's one heck of a ruling. Essentially, those opposed to same sex marriages defeated themselves. Almost all the factual evidence to support same sex marriages was provided by those who opposed it.
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It will go beyond the 9th, to the Federal Supreme Court. And it will all be distilled into whether those 9 justices believe that homosexuality is a conduct or a status. If the latter, then the 14th would guarantee the right to marry. Then it will be law in all the States. All this from a man (Ted Olsen) who argued for Bush in Bush v. Gore... what tangled webs we weave.
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The judge removed all the fluff, mirrors, dancing clowns, brass bands, and sound bites by reducing it to the one and only issue of the debate. The State issues a civil license to marry. That State civil license is the only thing the law pertains to. What is required and expected of that State civil license was the only issue. Anything that is not part of that State civil license under the law is not part of the constitutional question. He essentially said, if you’re bringing something into the argument it has to relate to the legal State Civil Marriage License and only the State Civil Marriage License.
