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I agree with Ted, show the people respect. . .
I live in Hawaiian Acres and was at my friends house last Sunday. Unless there are serously dysfunctional and lost rescue missions and tour copters, the choppers circled his house, then circled the next house, and the next house and so on.
A neighbor down the road had cops wake him up the next morning and they uprooted all his herb (actually they knowingly left his indoor herb). Very low-flying helicopters have been active in HA/FA/Upper Orchidland, Mtn. View for the last three weeks or so, per direct observation, talking to neighbors, listening to radio reports, and now a newspaper article.
Disparaging pot farmers is low blow, like a bully pummeling the kid that's already on the ground.
Jeffrey Krepps
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Kurtistown, HI
Jeffrey Krepps
jevkreppsz@juno.com
Hawaiian Acres
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If there's one group of people who don't have the right to complain about the helicopters, then that has to be the illegal pot growers. Stop growing, and they'll stop flying.
Jungle Man, you're even wrong about the gorillas. Technically, they've evolved just as far as we have.
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This blows me away! This green harvest bs has been going on since I moved here in the early 80's. It is always the same tactics, used over and over and yet people still doubt what they are doing. Get out and talk to people face to face. Meet people. Why does it only have to be true if we read about it or see it on tv? Does anyone on here know anyone down at DLNR? I do. How about law enforcement? My brother in law and cousin are active duty HPD.
My point? My friend at DLNR has flow along on several "green harvest missions" and yes they use AND test sensors of all types. Part of their funding. Most of us have seen the one they hang from a long rope. Sorry, the names and the spelling errors I would have if I tried to remember what he said would get people all upset in here. The other they use at night to detect heat from the hps-metal halide lights growers use. It is also the overwhelming conclusion that visual inspections with eyes alone is a much more effective and efficient way to search.
This state also will use any helicopter it can get its hands on, military, commercial, to assist in finding this plant of gold. No restrictions on color or shape. My bro in law also agrees that the tactics used to search for plants by flying less than 500' is illegal even though they do it all the time unpunished. Lots of laughs at the stations when calls start pouring in of low flying aircraft and what should we do about it questions.
Flight Standards in Oahu and the FAA here in Hilo will back up the fact that unless ACTIVELY engaged in the recovery of plants they are NOT to fly below 500' at anytime. Yet they still do. The fact that people still discuss and argue whats going on with green harvest really means to me that they know nothing about what's going on with that issue.
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quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
If there's one group of people who don't have the right to complain about the helicopters, then that has to be the illegal pot growers. Stop growing, and they'll stop flying.
So true. Can you imagine people's reaction if an arsonist is living in their neighborhood, setting fire to vacant houses and starts complaining about the noise the fire trucks make when they respond?
As to the noise of the helicopters and the actions of the police, didn't the People of the County of Hawaii pass a voter initiative into law called the Lowest Law Enforcement Priority? You asked for and passed this law so what are you complaining about?
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So the person who started this thread, has about 1/3 of the posts, often has 2 posts in a row in this thread, insults or "shouts down" anyone who does not acknowledge his superior intellect and knowledge, is telling everyone else they need to quit trolling and go outside?
Carol
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb
Now you sound like the road you live on Kane,
You put up (arguably) an inflamitory post, people call you out on it and now you will not back up your references.
Instead you chose to revert to talking down to people instead of supporting your statements with actual fact.
Know this .. You reap what you sow
pog
edit to add .. prolly typing when Carol was posting.
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How many people moved here after the Green Harvest program(or DEA flights, etc.) was already in operation? This is like people moving next to a train track and complaining about the noise from the trains. It appears some people didn't do their due diligence about where they were moving to.
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This is a strange thread. Wao I know that the DEA began experimenting at least a decade ago with some type of particulate analysis. I read about it in an article. They had practiced on the Oakland Coliseum. They were able to generalize the location of certain substances based on the readouts of a particular area of the Coliseum, from beer to drugs to hot dogs, they could tell what was down below and at what estimated concentrations. Everything gives off waste/emissions.
Infared is still used although it is not as effective outdoors in Puna where many fast growing plants live giving off similar heat signatures. From what I've read it is more useful in locating cool, well watered pots in dryer surroundings. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I think with or without cannabis growers, there are plenty of idiots and vandals that will destroy and deface just for fun. I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions. However if there is anybody destroying street sign thinking it will protect your crop, you've got another thing coming.
The part I find strange is that despite all this technology what makes you think WAO, that there are DEA agents randomly driving around Puna looking for missing street signs and addresses.????????
I know they're know for wasting time and money but come on!
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Aside from Wao's wow assertions.
Plain and simple, the helicopter searches are an illegal invasion of privacy. I have a reasonable expectation of peace and privacy from descending surveillance.
There is no blanket probable cause of illegal activity on every property in Puna.
Cannabis may be legally grown in Hawaii by medical patients. All of Puna is considered guilty until proven innocent.
Until someone with the means steps up to challange this activity in court, our civil liberties are all that we lose. Growers and non-growers alike. Yours and mine. A small price? Not in my book.
What a shame, Dan
