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KeaauRich,

Thought that was a possibility, but would still like a link from Bob citing his sources for his last two posts regarding this technology.

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Paul W,

Any chance that you're going to address my questions to you?

[PaulW]

Certainly, Jungle Lady. What questions?

You can also answer my questions to you.
1) Did you actually read that article?
2) Do you think that is the technology they are using in Puna to detect marijuana?

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Originally posted by PaulW

Certainly, Jungle Lady. What questions?

You can also answer my questions to you.
1) Did you actually read that article?
2) Do you think that is the technology they are using in Puna to detect marijuana?

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Yes, I read the article. Would be pretty stupid to post it as proof that the technology exists if I didn't read it, don't you think? As for that particular technology being used in Puna, your guess is as good as mine. As I stated earlier, I am curious if certain filters may be used to get rid of false positive results.

My questions to you are in regard to your post( 08/20/2010 : 10:21:35 ) about Tom K, and your comments (if any) on Tom's last post (08/19/2010 : 23:33:17 ) regarding this type of technology only using sound waves. Please refer to page 6 of this thread if you need to refresh your memory. And last but not least for the questions, did you read the article?

I also think you might owe an apology to all of the farmers out there. Did you mean that profession in a derogatory manner earlier?

[Bob Orts]

Kane, I think your misreading my post. So let me re-explain without any analogies.

Based on what I know, the technology you first linked is available and it could detect cannabis plants on the ground fairly accurately. But it also detected other plants as cannabis that were not the targeted plant. Some of those non cannabis plants were classified as common vegetation, both natural and introduced. From a law enforcement position, there were enough false positives that its value as a law enforcement tool was questionable. However, it was a moot point since the item you originally linked, never went past the initial testing phase. The technology may have been improved and other systems available, but that system never made it into use by law enforcement.

Next time I'm up for a visit, I'll see if I can get additional details for you. In the meantime, contact Lockheed Martin's corporate communication and see what they can send you. Pretend you a student or something, doing research on the history in advances of that technology. That should get you the facts from the horses mouth.

[PaulW]

If you want to ask questions about TomK, ask TomK. I'm PaulW.

If you think the word "farmer" is derogatory, that's your problem.

Did you not notice in the article that you quoted, that:
"With the hyperspectral camera collecting data at 125 lines/s, the flight computer can record 1.5 h of data on its 32-Gbyte hard drive. This corresponds to hyperspectral imagery of approximately 10 square miles."
A computer that can only store data on 10 square miles per flight would be pretty useless for marijuana detection in Puna, don't you think?

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PaulW,
LOL... for lame sakes.
I don't know about your computer but I've a Terabyte+ drive from last year off the shelf. What they happen to have in the flight computer on that aircraft in the article is irrelevant. What size drives are available today with a large budget?
Covering Puna is in the bag with what's POSSIBLE... don't you think?

Wahine is only part farmer, more on the gardening side (no pay in that though); professionally? She's in the nuclear industry and travels about the world from reactor to reactor leaving me alone for weeks on end very frequently. Since I'm an "Asshole" that's probably a good thing.

I did read the article. Do I think they use A SIMILAR more expensive technology here in Puna? Paul I'd have to say from my experience in the military and knowing what becomes classified or on a need to know basis only... YES, I've no doubt and this is a “war” type engagement so the same basic rules apply. What agency is providing the technology I don’t know, but, it only takes one agency to locate it.

Again… actual knowledge via a reliable source is what helps form factual plausibility’s vs. simple opinions that are most often nothing more than baseless speculation.
You are the judge for yourself, the actaul evidence stands in the form of several citations, on the other side of the court, there’s a load of baseless speculation that has no recent citation or backing.

BTW… you asked about a spectrometer being loaded in an aircraft/helicopter or something to that effect to TomK… What was his answer to you and what does the linked article point to in one of the photos loaded in the Cessna aircraft? Credibility usually has backing. I seem to find one citation after another that discredits Tom’s speculations. Why is that? What sort of scientist is Tom? Is he an EE with a PHD, masters or equivalent? Is he a Physicists? I would “speculate” Tom is a Geologist at best or something equal to in the sciences… but an authority in electrical engineering or physics… not.




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Originally posted by PaulW

If you want to ask questions about TomK, ask TomK. I'm PaulW.

If you think the word "farmer" is derogatory, that's your problem.

Did you not notice in the article that you quoted, that:
"With the hyperspectral camera collecting data at 125 lines/s, the flight computer can record 1.5 h of data on its 32-Gbyte hard drive. This corresponds to hyperspectral imagery of approximately 10 square miles."
A computer that can only store data on 10 square miles per flight would be pretty useless for marijuana detection in Puna, don't you think?

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I know you're Paul W. No need to be condescending to me.
Not so polite now, are you? You're the one with the farmer issue, not me.

You and Tom K are the ones contesting the existence of this technology. I also have not stated that this system has been or used in Puna. Are you too blind to see the possibility of variable types of equipment (larger hard drives, etc.)using this technology so that it could be adapted to use in Puna or other locales for marijuana detection?

Please defend your statement about Tom K being a 'professional scientist".

They are your words, back them up.

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Bob,
Read the latest link, it’s based on the same technology as founded by Oricon or whatever the name of the company was, same type of spectral imaging etc. just a cheaper version. The false positives appear to have been reliably fleshed out several years ago with the advance of computers and a little tinkering with the algorithms/software. Also, I don’t think they need to use the technology to secure a warrant; merely locating it is half the battle. You know... blood trail rulings etc. what’s outside the house and seen from the air visibly, if it’s illegal, is good enough to secure a warrant or even probably raid/confiscate it outside without a warrant.

That could be why one of the poster mentioned the agents not caring what the offender had in the house growing and only took what was outside. Just a thought on that perspective.


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TomK,
I don't know what your particular discipline is, but I know it is not remotely affiliated with the technology discussed in this thread. You may have used an infrared device in the past within your work, but the knowledge of EE evidently ceases pretty much right there.
If you're a Geologist with a PHD - that's great but you need to be aware that the several disciplines within the sciences has a great degree of differences even in the same words of their terminologies. The variants between physics, biology and chemistry are vast in many cases and that’s just to name a few. If you want to discuss something in a different discipline, you need to stop with the thronomister comments, Star Trek etc., aside from being insulting and arrogant, it shows a great deal of disrespect to the discipline in question and ignorance on your behalf.
You’ve got two people in the disciplines of physics and electrical engineering over here a little miffed at you at this point. I don’t know the first thing about Geology, Paleontology, Cosmology (perhaps a wee bit) or Archeology but I refuse to scoff at the terminology they might use.
I do know that the sciences we are affiliated with make and or design the majority of the devices used by the many sciences…


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