Guns in Hawaii

[Kelena]

It’s a new day in Puna and the clouds are on the run
The songbirds are singing
I think I’ll go get my gun.

The morning rain has passed and now I’m out for fun
Everything is so beautiful
I think I’ll go get my gun

Why do I have to fill out papers
To show I’m not insane
I thought this was paradise
Registration is inane.

It’s a new day in Puna and the clouds are on the run
The songbirds are singing
I think I’ll go get my gun.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/break...40164.html

[dmbwest]

Anyone remember the news story from Oahu of the guy who killed his GF with the shotgun a while back ?

Beat her with it ...

Where would this one fall ?

aloha,
pog

[ericlp]

Well, getting shot or beaten to death with a gun.. What's the difference? Still got killed with a gun.

As far as Laws are concerned. Leave your guns at home and follow state laws. Don't like it? Then you got 48 other states you can move too. Yes, you can come and try to challenge the law. Fine go ahead, your free to do that. When the laws change, then bring your gun.

It's only idiots that smuggle the gun in the mail or in baggage and then don't go through the proper channels of registering the gun. Now that your brought your fire arm to hawaii (illegally) and someone robs your house and finds your stash. Yay! Now you just contributed to the problem (only the bad guys have guns) congratulations!

[Guest]

OK here is my reasoning for this thread.

Two years ago my 22 year old son moved a few pot plants behind my O’hana without me knowing it. The neighbor who had a run in with the boy saw him do it and to make a long story short the police got a warrant searched my home while I was in Kona with my wife and a visitor from the mainland. In their search the found my 50 year old 22 long gun that my father gave me as a boy and confiscated it. Had they found my other guns they would have seized them also.

It has been two years now that I have been trying to get them to release my 22 can plunker. They did not want to do it saying it was taken at the seen of a crime. Two little pot plants that they never prosecuted the boy for. After long debates with the police and prosecutors office they agreed to return it to me but first I would have to go down and register it. Well I did go down and paid them another $20 and then the fun begins.

They said that they needed to have a background check on me and my family, can you believe this, my family. I asked why and they responded that they needed to know if there is any history of mental illness in the family. Now get this, they said they have a report that my wife Barbara had a record of abusing drugs because she was taken to the ER because of her medication backfiring on her. My Barbara takes around fifteen meds daily for her condition that keep her alive. Ounce her sugar went so low that she had to be rushed to the ER and the police came to my home and saw the medications that she was taking and apparently turned in a drug report on her.

Now they are saying that a gun can not be in a home where there is a mental person living and will not release it to me. Now I have to prove that my loving wife is not a drug abuser. My Barbara has never even had a hit of pot but now the burden is on me to prove it because the State of Hawaii doesn’t want me or anyone else to have a long gun.

You see I have the right bear arms I just don’t have the right to have any in Hawaii. So if I ever have to protect myself or my family it will be with an illegal hand gun that will never be found at the seen. You see it will always be the guy that came with the dead person that shot the guy and then ran off with the weapon.

The Lack

The Lack Toons

[james weatherford]

Lack,
That's a pretty horrible tale. Apologies for my government treating you and your family that way.
Unfortunately, government seizure of private property is becoming the norm -- including cash. You might consider yourself fortunate they didn't find a wad of $20 notes, like from your Huli-Huli operation, and take that.
As for the absurdity of the business with your wife's medication, you could address that the American way: get a lawyer.

James Weatherford, Ph.D.
15-1888 Hialoa
Hawaiian Paradise Park

[birdmove]

As for myself, I intend to follow Hawaii state law on firearms.First, I am going to sell most of my shooters before we move.I'll just keep a select few and lug those off to the police dept and register them.

I have no police record.I've passed numerous background checks over the years.

jon

Jon in Puyallup, Wa.

[Kelena]

All you have to do, Lack, is file a Motion for Return of Property (Sometimes called a "Writ of Replevin").

[DickWilson]

Lighten up, I don't think so. Every time the subject of guns comes up, those of us who believe in our 2nd amendment rights are either called gun nuts, or told to lighten up. Or we get stupid comments like why not nuclear weapons. You want me to lighten up, leave my rights alone. Yes Hawaii has very restrictive gun laws, does it lessen crime, I have yet to see any concrete figures to back up that claim. I follow all the gun laws in Hawaii, I just happen to think they are an infringement on the rights of all law abiding citizens of the state and am and will continue to do all I can to bring them in line with the other states that recognize that restrictive gun laws in no way increase public safety. Yes I am touch on the subject, just as touchy as I am about any of my rights under the constitution. Some of which are being trampled upon right now in the "interest of public safety". As Ben Franklin said " those who would trade their freedoms for safety, deserve neither." May not have the quote exact, but the concept is so very true.

dick wilson
"Nothing is idiot proof,because idiots are so ingenious!"

[missydog1]

Right Dick, I see that you're predisposed to feel like people are trampling on your rights. I didn't even make any of the comments you complain about. I didn't propose to do anything to your rights. I didn't say anything except "I'm glad" and "to me" -- my subjective opinions on the Hawai'i laws.

It's totally BS to call me out for trampling on your rights. If you must bark, go do it at someone who actually has power to change gun laws, or who is responsible for the current laws. Don't go off on me simply because I have a different opinion -- particularly when my opinion said ZIP about taking away your 2nd Amendment rights. I advocated nothing along those lines. All I said was I'm good with the status quo.

It is MY right not to be unhappy with the restrictive laws. Are you challenging my right to feel happy or unhappy? What's your authority for doing that?

[Kelena]

Very little gun violence in Hawaii relative to other states. There's a reason for that. The question isn't about the right to bring to and bear arms in Hawaii, it is about the wisdom of doing so. Do you want Hawaii to become like the rest of the United States? In general, I think that is a bad idea. Unlike the Swiss and Canadians (guns are prevalent in each country), Americans seem not to be able to handle guns very well. The social pressure against trafficking in guns should be intense in light of the obvious harm that Americans bearing guns have done to this country. Don't bring it to Hawaii. In fact, don't bring America to Hawaii.