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Guns in Hawaii
#61
Bob asked:
What exactly is Hawaii proposing that prompted this whole discussion?




Bob you make a good argument in some cases and fall short in others. I’m not trying to say that mentally ill people should have the right to bear and own firearms. I understand the Hawaii argument and agree with much of it. But to agree with it 100% means that we must consider the possibility of disposing all that have a disability, physical along with mental from firearm ownership and that includes anyone that lives in their residence.

With this mind set one would have to agree that if a police officer’s wife was deemed to have misused her legal prescription by another police person the first officer’s right to own a firearm will be revoked. Sounds pretty stupid doesn’t it but that’s the way these laws are written, simply to take away our rights.

Now in my case my wife has had a police report filed against her without any medical professional signing in on it. Unfortunately Hawaii State law don’t give a crap, they have a report. Now Bob even if this was true {and it’s not} why is it that Hawaii can penalize me and any other member of that household from gun ownership?

Bottom line it that Hawaii is a liberal state and liberals do not believe in gun ownership period. This is an injustice and an infringement upon my rights. I, Tom Lackey do not have a mental history of anything and to use this situation as a “reason” to curtail me of any firearm ownership is definably a maneuver to take the guns out of the hands of the public. You can not look at it any other way.

Bob Orts said:
By their application of mental illness in firearm cases, one can say that a person who wears eye glasses is blind and the driver’s license of any family member living with them should be immediately revoked and their cars confiscated to prevent the “blind” person from driving the car.

Thank you Bob I rest my case, because this is what is happening to me and I can only image how many
others.

The Lack


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#62
I still haven't seen any un-biased figures, The Violence policy coalition has cooked the books several times, as the NRA has pointed out several times. The NRA is biased of course, but makes their research and figures available for comparison.

dick wilson
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#63
Does the fact that "Hawaii has very restrictive gun laws" have anything to do with the fact that we have huge military presence?
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#64
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Originally posted by silverpenny10

Does the fact that "Hawaii has very restrictive gun laws" have anything to do with the fact that we have huge military presence?

I wouldn't think so the only comparsion I can give is in Florida which has a big Military presence, and we have an open policy on guns anything short of an RPG is ok with our elected officals and it has not worked well.
dick I don't care where the stats are from always suspect them and example can be we have a 40% success rate ahh doesn't that give you a 60% failure rate. So all stats are suspect.
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#65
You Tube 20/20 In Touch gun control. Very interesting. Along with other reports and statistics easily found, Washington D.C set a complete ban on handguns and after that passing, murder rates skyrocketed.

http://www.newsmax.com/JohnLott/Lott-gun.../id/358060
This link talks about Chicago's ban on private ownership of handguns and how the murder rate there has grown out of control.

Philippines and Australia have articles also saying that after placing gun bans their murder rates went up also.

http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/blanks/081400.htm
Another interesting article concerning stricter gun laws vs. crime.
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#66
I would prefer to see data regarding Hawaii and not see this topic evolve into the realm of national debate on gun ownership / control.

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#67
".......Does the fact that "Hawaii has very restrictive gun laws" have anything to do with the fact that we have huge military presence"

I thought the same thing - until I spent a few years here and became aware of driving skills and styles....... I am so happy guns are restricted -grin
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#68
I don't think it is valid to compare Hawaii to mainland cities or states with similar gun control laws. On the mainland it is easy to just drive to another place with loose gun laws and buy whatever you want and drive it back home. Frequently places with tough laws end up ringed with just over the border gun stores catering to people from gun control areas. To get weapons into Hawaii is a little harder, because you can't just drive to a and from Hawaii.

Carol
edited to fix a typo
Carol

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#69
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Originally posted by The Lack

Bottom line it that Hawaii is a liberal state and liberals do not believe in gun ownership period. This is an injustice and an infringement upon my rights. I, Tom Lackey do not have a mental history of anything and to use this situation as a “reason” to curtail me of any firearm ownership is definably a maneuver to take the guns out of the hands of the public. You can not look at it any other way.
Tom, I do understand what you’re saying about your situation.

In reviewing what you have said on this and reading Hawaii laws, if you think that this is about Hawaii being a liberal state, you are so far off base; you need to decide if this is about justice and Hawaii law or political posturing.

First Hawaii’s liberal or conservative or moderate anything is not in play. What is in play is that everyone and I mean everyone including the pro gun lobby are all against you. You have been thrown under the bus by everyone (particularly the pro-gun side) and they are taking turns running you over. That is why you are in the position you are in right now. The sooner you come to grip with that, the sooner you can understand and deal with what Hawaii is doing and get it corrected.

ETA: To ensure no one has the wrong impression of Tom's situation, under Hawaii and 40 other state laws, Mental Illness disqualification/ineligibility amount to saying Stink Eye or honking a horn is a Violent Homicidal Action. It does not mean a person is mentally ill. Mental illness encompasses a very broad range of public feelings that may have nothing to do with the person's mental state.
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#70
I got it Greg : )

Now back to the Hatfields and McCoys.



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