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MDD7000, you are suggesting insulation? as a solution? In Hawaii where we keep all the windows and doors open? Insulation to deal with helos? That's not why we live here, to stay inside and start insulating and shutting windows.
hawaiideborah
YurtGirl is suggesting that the tour copter companies provide funds for remediation of noise impact - this is generally done with the installation of insulation in neighborhoods around airport expansion areas.
Yes, homes in Hawaii need insulation for a number of reasons.
Keeping the home from rapidly increasing or decreasing its' internal temperature helps keep out moisture from condensation, as well as reducing noise levels, even if your windows are open all the time (which they probably are not in upper Fern Forest where YurtGirl lives now that it is colder) Homes with metal roofing (which YurtGirl does not have) would have lessor sound levels from those darned copters as well, and YurtGirl doesn't have a metal roof either.
Coquis, tree frogs and cane toads, at night, are probably much louder than daytime copters. Spend the $20 and buy a Radio Shack decibel meter. Do all of your measurements from the same location inside the home.
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... How about since they're obviously making money on these tourists, they be asked to put some of it toward neighborhood impact funds of the neighborhoods at whose expense they cash in?...
Sorry YurtGirl. You are one of the people complaining about government intrusion regarding the type of house and how it is constructed over on the Building in Puna forum. Most people would call INSULATION a good start, not to mention that a YURT probably isn't very noise resistant to begin with.
Creating a means for affected neighborhoods to be compensated hardly equates with government requiring people to pay thousands of dollars for an unecessary and ill conceived mandatory safe room code. I recently read something about the state having to pay impact fees for the neighborhoods that are affect by airports... anyone know anything about that? It was in the paper, I was on the run, but it jumped out at me because it was right after I commented about the possibility of that. I don't want the impact funds. I want PEACE AND QUIET! But hitting them in the pocketbook may go further than asking them to respect people's airspace just out of common decency.
mdd, talk to some home designers, architects, contractors around here and you will realize the faulty stance on insulation. We are a tropical climate where most people use ventilation to cool their homes incredibly well. a/c is not the norm. Insulation would cause the need for a/c, which is quite the opposite of a sustainable solution.
And mdd, I get that you don't like yurts, but I think before you make disparaging remarks, for your own argument, you might go stay in one sometime so you have valid complaints about them. With proper insulation, noise is no more of an issue than most other houses that are geared toward ventilation. Personally, I like to hear nature. Not copters though.
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Originally posted by hawaiideborah
MDD7000, you are suggesting insulation? as a solution? In Hawaii where we keep all the windows and doors open? Insulation to deal with helos? That's not why we live here, to stay inside and start insulating and shutting windows.
hawaiideborah
YurtGirl is suggesting that the tour copter companies provide funds for remediation of noise impact - this is generally done with the installation of insulation in neighborhoods around airport expansion areas.
Yes, homes in Hawaii need insulation for a number of reasons.
Keeping the home from rapidly increasing or decreasing its' internal temperature helps keep out moisture from condensation, as well as reducing noise levels, even if your windows are open all the time (which they probably are not in upper Fern Forest where YurtGirl lives now that it is colder) Homes with metal roofing (which YurtGirl does not have) would have lessor sound levels from those darned copters as well, and YurtGirl doesn't have a metal roof either.
Coquis, tree frogs and cane toads, at night, are probably much louder than daytime copters. Spend the $20 and buy a Radio Shack decibel meter. Do all of your measurements from the same location inside the home.
mdd. No offense, but you don't seem to really know what you're talking about. Our windows are constantly open. We don't have a problem with mold or noise other than the helicopters. Actually, our house design is largely outdoor living with a breezeway that leads to the kitchen that is open always.
Condensation is easily dealt with through proper ventilation. Period.
How do you know what kind of roof I have? You don't. Try to avoid making assumptions about me without knowing anything about me or how I live. Helicopters are loud regardless of what kind of house you have here. Insulation, metal roof, yurt roof or otherwise. Why are you using this forum to attack yurts anyway?? Let's get it on the yurt forum where it belongs. I'm all for healthy discussion, but you seem to be taking this off track over some aggravation with other posts and things I support that you don't or vice versa.
Coquis and cane toads louder than a copter?? Really... Wow.
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YurtGirl says:
"...Insulation would cause the need for a/c..."
Any proof of that?
(no, it is the opposite)
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no way does mdd7000 live here. Will bet on it. He thinks we have to close our windows and it is cold now? Get real.
Also, helos are loud as couquis??? NOT.
Last, the helos buz by low on the coast aslo. someone said "why don't they go on the coast". they do. I am renting at the bottom on HPP and they buzz there, low flying also.
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I guess darwin was right! We do adapt to our environments. 
haha anyway I think the perception of being cold is mostly in ones mind.
But back to helicopters ... This has sadly been debated time after time. Nothing seems to get done. Just a lot of complaining and really long threads but.... Hey sometimes it does help to vent. I find it comical how some people in here just love to add fuel to the fire!
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Now, has anyone seen my rocket launcher? 
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i still say "helicopters crash", "where is the bathroom?" or "do not tip the pilot" painted on the roof may help.... grin
Nicely said Kathy,
We live right by the airport/11 but its still the damm Harleys that set me off.
We close the windows a bit, 'dive' under the covers now and have fun stating "its frEEzing"
All relative but there are absolute changes of season here ...Maybe not based on documented averages but ones body knows.
Going swimming this morning though.
aloha,
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Originally posted by hawaiideborah
no way does mdd7000 live here. Will bet on it. He thinks we have to close our windows and it is cold now? Get real.
Also, helos are loud as couquis??? NOT.
Last, the helos buz by low on the coast aslo. someone said "why don't they go on the coast". they do. I am renting at the bottom on HPP and they buzz there, low flying also.
hawaiideborah
I'll take that bet.
It has been cold enough to silence the coquis, generally has to be below 64/65 to do that. Higher elevations, like Fern Forest, get quite a bit cooler than lower HPP.
ps - Thank you, KathyH.
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KathyH:
Now back to the noise problem. But really, your perceptions are going to change. After living in this rural area for some time, the animal, bird, frog noises become part of the tapestry of nature noises, whereas the man made noises are obnoxious. People who live in cities become inured to the noises of cars, trucks, ambulances, air conditioning fans, generators, construction, and aircraft, but when you move away from all that, you lose the tolerance. When I go to Honolulu, I have a really hard time sleeping with all the city noises, and I wouldn't have when I lived in Oakland.
I used to be totally sensitive to barking dogs, couldn't handle them at all, and now I sleep with one not far from my window and I'm OK with it. A friend of mine has gotten so used to living by a rooster farm that he doesn't hear them any more.
Don't know what made you think I come from city. I moved from very rural area of Washington coast. Nearest town had one stop light and 2000 population. Not used to city noises and actually it is way more populated here and human type noises here than where i moved from.
Guess we both need to check assumptions....
BTW, didn't you say you lived in Alaska part time? That is cold...
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