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Punaweb and Poe's Law
#31
This came up on the "Good People Leaving Punaweb" thread, sort of.

I don't think of Poe's Law as something to be obeyed, but rather as a kind of "Web Law of Physics" that was given a name. Basically just a truism.

One of the things about the evolution of the internet that I find fascinating is the genesis of new norms for communication. i.e. Poe's Law, Godwin, etc.

I interpreted Poe's Law to describe the phenomena that is is impossible to write something so outrageous that it will not be taken seriously by someone unless you use an emoticon.

But I don't think it means you can write some inflammatory screed and just throw an emoticon at the end and its all cool.

In the context of this thread I just offered it as something to keep in mind. If you are TRYING to be humorous on a web forum you probably should use the emoticon otherwise someone is going to take you seriously.

As to whether its funny or good taste etc, that is still up to the reader.

But its not like shields on Star Trek.

"Red Alert, EMOTICONS UP!"
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#32
First of all Bob, I don't want to relate this to any specific posts or person. I am only talking theory here and want to hear what people have to say. This is not intended in any way to start or re-start anything. I really want to discuss this without going back to previous posts or posters. I truly want to know how you feel.

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Originally posted by Bob Orts
But, what if the message comment posted relating to Puna or Hawaii was just a way to insert the off colored, offensive or disgusting joke which was the real point of the post?
The real point of the post then would have to be a joke if you subscribe to Poe's law. As you said, "...offensive or disgusting joke..." you are still calling it a joke. So I going back to my original question "So if one intends something as a joke isn't it the responsibility of the person reading the joke to accept it as such if they agree to Poe's law? No matter how offensive they find it?"

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If I ask how to tell the difference in Puna's guava, but tell a joke about niggers and spics, kikes and japs, fags and liberals that are too stupid to know when its ripe; if there are a whole bunch of [Big Grin][Big Grin][Big Grin][Big Grin][Big Grin] afterwards, do we ignore the fact that the joke was the intended message and the poster could care less about varieties of guava?

I understand your analogy but I am not sure it applies. Under your analogy it would be easy to determine the difference between a joke and a disparaging remark. What if the poster meant to tell an "offensive and disgusting joke"? And I stress REALLY meant it as a joke? So my question to you is how do you know when something REALLY isn't a joke and what if you decide its not a joke and are wrong?

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We know what and why some post were made, and many know when the joke was not meant as a joke despite all the [Big Grin][Big Grin][Big Grin][Big Grin] afterwards.

As I stated above I am not trying to discuss previous posts or posters. I am just trying to get the brain juices flowing. [Big Grin][Big Grin][Big Grin] Thanks!!!

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#33
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Originally posted by freestate

This came up on the "Good People Leaving Punaweb" thread, sort of.

I don't think of Poe's Law as something to be obeyed, but rather as a kind of "Web Law of Physics" that was given a name. Basically just a truism.

One of the things about the evolution of the internet that I find fascinating is the genesis of new norms for communication. i.e. Poe's Law, Godwin, etc.

I interpreted Poe's Law to describe the phenomena that is is impossible to write something so outrageous that it will not be taken seriously by someone unless you use an emoticon.

But I don't think it means you can write some inflammatory screed and just throw an emoticon at the end and its all cool.

In the context of this thread I just offered it as something to keep in mind. If you are TRYING to be humorous on a web forum you probably should use the emoticon otherwise someone is going to take you seriously.

As to whether its funny or good taste etc, that is still up to the reader.

But its not like shields on Star Trek.

"Red Alert, EMOTICONS UP!"

Okay, well said. I just have a question then. Where would you draw the line between "some inflammatory screed" and just a bad joke that is accepted as a joke?

I guess what I am asking is where does everyone draw the line? The problem I see is that every person here is going to have a different tolerance for it. Whose to say one man's joke is another man's derogatory remark?

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#34
I and the Operating Committee will draw that line. You don't much need to worry about it.

When you have your own site you can draw your own line.

Assume the best and ask questions.

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#35


Agree with above.
Konadave,
you do have your own site you co-moderate with John Rabi where you post jokes. I'd say you could spend this kind of energy looking at your own site to see if the off-color jokes in the "adult x-rated" section of your own site meet your criteria and let Rob run this site.
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#36
In my context it simply is whether the writer intends it to be humorous. If so, then use of the emoticon conveys that it was not meant to be taken seriously.

Whether it passes muster of the moderator or whether the joke is funny or good taste; that's a matter of judgment.

To me its like art vs. porn. There are things that are pretty clear, things in the gray middle. But there are always outliers that will be bothered by things that the majority will pass.

Can't make everyone happy.

But following some basic rules regarding insults or threats should keep Punaweb a congenial forum.

Seems like the idea of behaving as you would if you were a guest in someone's home is pretty good. But some seem to think of web forums more like an open political meeting, more of a free-for-all furball.
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#37
Konadave,
Question: Which of your site is co-moderated by John Rabi?
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#38
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Originally posted by silverpenny10

Konadave,
Question: Which of your site is co-moderated by John Rabi?


silverpenny10,
here is the link to the "adult" blog moderated by konadave and John Rabi:
http://www.konaforum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=28&sid=1dd45a6d50be50577d223e597f8314cf

beware there are some comments that some will find offensive there.
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#39
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Originally posted by Orchidlandguy

Agree with above.
Konadave,
you do have your own site you co-moderate with John Rabi where you post jokes. I'd say you could spend this kind of energy looking at your own site to see if the off-color jokes in the "adult x-rated" section of your own site meet your criteria and let Rob run this site.

MYOB comes to mind. Isn't that what Rob just basically said?
Let Rob moderate HIS forum as he sees fit?
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#40
Apparently you need 'permission' to enter the blog moderated by Konadave and John Rabi and I don't think I want to go there. Another question, how long had this blog been in existence and how long had John Rabi been co moderating?
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