The Secret's out about Pahala's biofuel plant

[silverpenny10]

So, all the talk about sustainability and self sufficiency is just hype? Prices for everything (food, utilities, fuel, etc...) will continue to escalate. Dependency is bad news. The main point and the real true solution is to reduce consumption.

[Greg]

I'm definitely sold on solar power. I can't afford an adequate system though.
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[Radiopeg]

I shudder at the idea of being "off the grid" while having to fuel a generator and have propane refrigeration and cooking. Also those batteries full of who knows what chemicals. One is just as vulnerable as any other consumer. So maybe a large scale program like this would actually be an asset. We want to add solar and wind and more storage batteries to our home, but we too now call Eden Roc home when in Puna, and it can be less than sunny and also quite still. I see part of the bigger answer.....less people as well as less consumption.

Life goes on, with you or without you.

[silverpenny10]

Greg,
Look into ebay. There are bulk cells availableto build your own. If you don't care about cosmetics, chipped cells are also available at a discount. Instructions are online.

Radiopeg: "part of the bigger answer.....less people as well as less consumption"
This is true. Other than false flag wars, we are killing ourselves nutritionally and environmentally. Humans seem intent on self destruction, aren't we?

[silverpenny10]

Free Energy: Ever heard of Nikola Tesla? Cars that run on water had been developed since the 20's or 30's. Why are they not used widely? Why are they not used exclusively? Follow the money.

I have friends who have been making their own biodiesel 10 years ago and told me it costs 5 cents/gallon at the time (free used vegie oil from restaurants). Word has it that this proposed biofuel will cost more to the consumer than current gas prices or even higher. Regardless, the true cost would be destruction and toxification of our environment and all living within it. There's no price to put on that.

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/
http://www.free-energy.ws/nikola-tesla.html
http://educate-yourself.org/fe/radiantenergystory.shtml
http://www.members.tripod.com/uforeview/...etlab.html

[oink]

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Originally posted by penny: Other than false flag wars, we are killing ourselves nutritionally and environmentally. Humans seem intent on self destruction, aren't we?

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Yet we are living longer than ever before? {Old Testament patriarchs excepted of course.)

Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.

[Obie]

[quote]Originally posted by silverpenny10

"So, all the talk about sustainability and self sufficiency is just hype? "

Your idea of sustainability is certainly hype !!

We live on an island in the middle of the Pacific ocean and you are telling people to use Ebay to buy and assemble solar cells.How is that sustainable ? Unless you are going to paddle a canoe to the mainland to get the raw materials for your idea of sustainability, then you are always going to be dependent on oil or some sort of biofuel.

You need to give up on the idea of having electricity,get rid of the phone,and no more internet.

Here is a link to building your own PV Cells.I don't see anything sustainable here.

http://www.virtualsecrets.com/build-a-solar-panel.html

Edit to add link

[silverpenny10]

oink: "Yet we are living longer than ever before?"
Quantity over quality? I'll take quality any day.

obie: "Your idea of sustainability is certainly hype !!"
been there, done that, still doing it, best thing we've ever done, certainly NOT hype.
"We live on an island in the middle of the Pacific ocean"
EXACTLY!!!! Now you're getting it!

[Rob Tucker]

I don't think there is any one answer for our energy needs. Solar, wind, ocean wave, thermal inversion, geothermal, biofuel... we will need all of them. What we don't need to continue is our devotion to fossil fuels - oil and coal. Those individuals and corporations investing in alternative, renewable energy are pioneering. In general and with oversight we need to support such efforts. Over time some will succeed and some will fail. The failures are often as important as the successes. We learn from them and do better next time.

Reducing our demands on our planet is imperative too. Americans generally are 5% of the world's population and we consume 25% or more of the world's resources to maintain our lifestyle. Simple things like reducing the use of throw away products (plastic grocery bags for example) cause an uproar as people resist changing even the most minor of bad habits.

As a society we are a generation or two behind Europe. Their population centers and the aligned energy and waste stream problems started hitting them in the 1950's and 1960's while we still live in the dream/myth of unending resources from sea to shining sea.

Our island is rather unique in that it is not over populated and we have an achievable potential of producing our own food and energy. We need to be supportive of ventures which will help us learn and hopefully reach that goal someday. Until I learn something different I am supportive of the biofuel venture. Assume the best and ask questions. I don't think "assume the worst and caste aspersions" leads us in a good direction.

[Bullwinkle]

It is a whole lot easier to save energy than to create it ....

Look at you electric bill there will be a daily use indicated - I keep mine to about 4k watts per day - I am all electric except for water heating (about a 100$ a month)

Conservation of energy and fossil fuel while creating new ag land to be self sustaining in food supplies admirable goals before moving on to growing oil for transportation imho

Its all about priorities - so far the energy companies seem to be driving.....