Public Statement on U.S. militarism & occupation

[Alaskana]

Personally, I'd be ok with a slight buildup, provided they don't touch the mountains. It would bring a ton of $ to the local area. (I grew up in a town where the population was ~50% military. The economy is doing fantastic back home)

If controlled, this could bring prosperity to the island. Just need to find that balance.

[silverpenny10]

mdd7000:"Who is delusional?"
People who continually make baseless accusations, people who are obsessive to the point of being disturbing.

Yes, I'm Southwind, Dugger, Mauka, Orchidlandguy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Clause. Now, can we move on and get back to topic?

[Alaskana]

Even as a republican, I largely agree with the akaka bill. Land does need to go back to the people, and they should be able to run it their way. With as many private interests, and the like, that would be one hell of a fight though.

How would it get decided though? What would happen if people are living on that land? I'll use myself as an example. We moved here to help the in laws through a difficult period. That took literally every penny we have (living on my $400 a month unemployment currently) In that case, I fully expect to get asked to leave. It is beautiful here, but in 4 months, I am still a haole. No social circle, and because of my love of guns, largely still Alaskan mindset.

How and where do you make the distinction of what and where? I only see a lot of trouble, but am open to ideas.

[silverpenny10]

Alaskana:"I'd be ok with a slight buildup, provided they don't touch the mountains"
The military engages in live fires and contamination from DU spreads all over the island, particularly Kona area. Do a search for DU (depleted uranium) poisoning. Personally, I wouldn't trade clean air for any amount of money.

[silverpenny10]

Alaskana, I was told that the Kingdom does not want to displace people. There are provisions for people who were duped into buying stolen land. The point is to acknowledge the occupation of HI was/is illegal.

[Alaskana]

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Originally posted by silverpenny10

Alaskana:"I'd be ok with a slight buildup, provided they don't touch the mountains"
The military engages in live fires and contamination from DU spreads all over the island, particularly Kona area. Do a search for DU (depleted uranium) poisoning. Personally, I wouldn't trade clean air for any amount of money.

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It was my understanding that the DU rounds were phased out for training. The only things that use them are large caliber (tank sized) guns. I'll have to call a friend and check.

As a whole, infantry are not equipped with DU rounds. That begins at direct fire support and up. Ie tanks and oa-10 aircraft. (strykers count as tanks for sake of argument. )

------amended position: standard, not armored infantry training area. But yes, I see your point on DU

[Alaskana]

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Originally posted by silverpenny10

Alaskana, I was told that the Kingdom does not want to displace people. There are provisions for people who were duped into buying stolen land. The point is to acknowledge the occupation of HI was/is illegal.

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Ah ok

I do agree that it was taken illegally. Granted, the us was under threat of war, but that is still no excuse.

Whatever happens, I'm sure it will be interesting for all involved.

[freestate]

Thats a nice thought. I suggest telling some Native Hawaiians this and see how that floats.

An interesting thing about Punaweb is that it confirms my status as a moderate. One minute I find myself agreeing with one group on a thread and then the next I find myself inching away from the same.

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Originally posted by silverpenny10

kalama boy:"What is a Hawaiian anyway?"
IMHO, I think Hawaiian is more a philosophy, rather than skin color or race. It means living simply, humbly with the laws of the land rather than the laws of man. It means taking care of the aina because of the deep rooted understanding that this is what shelters and feeds and nourishes us, physically as well as mentally and emotionally. It's a knowing that destruction of our natural resources will lead to our demise. It's a connectedness to the core, to the source. It's the 'Aloha' that extends to all, the welcoming that goes beyond the islands. If you observe closely, you can definitely tell who the Hawaiians are, and it has NOTHING to do with skin color.

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[bgiles]

The Revolution will not be televised, not be televised, not be televised.

bamboo2u

[silverpenny10]

bgiles, do you mean that any revolution here will not be televised, like Egypt? It's nice to see 'The People' prevail for a change.