01-11-2012, 05:33 AM
Obie,
Don't blame the victim.
Why is it so important for you to take your time and energy to drive down Gov't Rd to check on drive ways? A little sympathy goes a long way here. It does not matter if you are correct. That has no place in a discussion of sympathy for a grieving dog owner.
cwaters explained clearly that the car swerved off the road and into her driveway. Why does it matter where the gate is? Most gates in Puna are located in 10 to 20 feet up the drive from the road. Thus, a car can indeed swerve onto the beginning of the drive. Also dogs often sit on the beginning of the drive in front of the drive gates. dogs are curious and love to watch the goings on. The gates being built back does not mean the drive is built back. Anyone who has a drive gate has paid to have their drive come out to hit connect with the road. My own gate is located 20 feet in from the road. My own dogs can and do sit on 20 feet of drive in front of the gate. I paid for that 20 feet of drive to connect to the road. It is MY driveway.
You are way off base on this, Obie.
I think it appropriate for your to apologize for your callous postings and your focus on blaming the dog and dog owners. However, I have never read an apology from you on any thread. Some men aren't big enough to say they are wrong and they are sorry. You should try it now. It makes you feel better to admit wrongs and correct them.
cwaters is not irresponsible for letting her dog sit on her drive way. The dog was not chasing the car. The dog was in the driveway on it's property. The driver of the car that hit the dog is responsible and will have to live the rest of their lives knowing they hit a pet and never stopped. I know it would stay with me forever.
Pog,
You say don't ring any human necks about this? You say maybe the driver thought it was a wondering stray? I think it was an accident because it is hard for me to imagine anyone swerving onto a drive to purposely hit an innocent dog. Given that it was an accident, the driver knew they hit something. It is impossible to hit and kill a dog and not know you have hit something. If the driver didn't see the dog then they are very irresponsible and should not be behind the wheel. However, even if they did not see where they were steering the car, they had to have felt the impact. The driver has an obligation to stop and check. If they didn't see it, it could have been a small child or a person stumped over weeding. Or if they did see the dog, and they felt the impact they are obliged to stop and see if the dog can be helped or put out of it's misery.
I doubt the driver thought this dog they hit and killed was a stray, Especially if the dog was located on a driveway. That driver is at fault and needed to stop and render help to the animal and go up the drive to inform the owners what had happened.
to both Obie and Pog,
I have a hard time understanding where Obie and Pog are coming from. Have you no compassion? Would you have not stopped because it was an accident? Would you have not stopped because you thought the dog was a stray? Would you have not stopped because the dog was in front of the gate and on the beginning on the drive instead of behind the gate?
Use this opportunity to become compassionate, humble and sympathetic. this could happen to a pet you know and love. Even if it was and accident, it is the driver's fault, not the dogs nor the owners.
Don't blame the victim.
Why is it so important for you to take your time and energy to drive down Gov't Rd to check on drive ways? A little sympathy goes a long way here. It does not matter if you are correct. That has no place in a discussion of sympathy for a grieving dog owner.
cwaters explained clearly that the car swerved off the road and into her driveway. Why does it matter where the gate is? Most gates in Puna are located in 10 to 20 feet up the drive from the road. Thus, a car can indeed swerve onto the beginning of the drive. Also dogs often sit on the beginning of the drive in front of the drive gates. dogs are curious and love to watch the goings on. The gates being built back does not mean the drive is built back. Anyone who has a drive gate has paid to have their drive come out to hit connect with the road. My own gate is located 20 feet in from the road. My own dogs can and do sit on 20 feet of drive in front of the gate. I paid for that 20 feet of drive to connect to the road. It is MY driveway.
You are way off base on this, Obie.
I think it appropriate for your to apologize for your callous postings and your focus on blaming the dog and dog owners. However, I have never read an apology from you on any thread. Some men aren't big enough to say they are wrong and they are sorry. You should try it now. It makes you feel better to admit wrongs and correct them.
cwaters is not irresponsible for letting her dog sit on her drive way. The dog was not chasing the car. The dog was in the driveway on it's property. The driver of the car that hit the dog is responsible and will have to live the rest of their lives knowing they hit a pet and never stopped. I know it would stay with me forever.
Pog,
You say don't ring any human necks about this? You say maybe the driver thought it was a wondering stray? I think it was an accident because it is hard for me to imagine anyone swerving onto a drive to purposely hit an innocent dog. Given that it was an accident, the driver knew they hit something. It is impossible to hit and kill a dog and not know you have hit something. If the driver didn't see the dog then they are very irresponsible and should not be behind the wheel. However, even if they did not see where they were steering the car, they had to have felt the impact. The driver has an obligation to stop and check. If they didn't see it, it could have been a small child or a person stumped over weeding. Or if they did see the dog, and they felt the impact they are obliged to stop and see if the dog can be helped or put out of it's misery.
I doubt the driver thought this dog they hit and killed was a stray, Especially if the dog was located on a driveway. That driver is at fault and needed to stop and render help to the animal and go up the drive to inform the owners what had happened.
to both Obie and Pog,
I have a hard time understanding where Obie and Pog are coming from. Have you no compassion? Would you have not stopped because it was an accident? Would you have not stopped because you thought the dog was a stray? Would you have not stopped because the dog was in front of the gate and on the beginning on the drive instead of behind the gate?
Use this opportunity to become compassionate, humble and sympathetic. this could happen to a pet you know and love. Even if it was and accident, it is the driver's fault, not the dogs nor the owners.