Moving to Ainalaoa

[Green]

U dont need to have a garage sale in ainaloa to lose your stuff, they will take it when not home, and sometimes even when u are home.

[missydog1]

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Originally posted by coppercoin40

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Originally posted by KathyH

Too much domestic violence and abuse ...
Really a place for local families in my mind.
Others will disagree.

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KathyH, not meaning to call you out here but I have reread this comment several times trying to determine just what you meant here.

As written it sounds almost prejudicial:
prejudicial - tending to favor preconceived ideas; "the presence of discriminatory or prejudicial attitudes in the white population" prejudicious

Did I misunderstand you? Your statement makes it sound as if Ainaloa is a place of domestic abuse and violence - a place for local families. The local families part makes me think "local" meaning Native Hawaiians.

Are you really publicly categorizing Native Hawaiians as violent and domestic abusers? Violent and abusive nature has no color, denomination, or heritage boundaries.

Please clarify, I hope I am wrong in my understanding of your statement.

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Yes, you completely misunderstood me. If you knew my background, you would know that I don't need to have these things defined to me. I've spent much time in my life discussing the fine points of racism, due to the diverse and wonderful places I have lived and gone to school and worked.

Re what I said -- My two sentences weren't tied together. It was two separate reasons, one under the other. You connected them and that is how you drew a wrong interpretation of what I meant.

2) "local" does not mean Native Hawaiian, so don't ever jump to that conclusion. Local
embraces a variety of heritages and means born and bred here. But it has shades of meaning that you learn when you live here.

It's not a negative term and I wasn't using it negatively. I cherish and admire a great deal about local culture, but it takes time to assimilate here and some folks will never let you in.

It can be a very tight community and not too open to newcomers. That's what my second sentence meant -- not the best SD to pick if you are FOB (fresh off the boat).

3) re domestic violence-- it was just a fact there have been notable cases of violence and abuse there. The why and who of domestic violence is complex and I'm no sociologist. But it's cultural, not racial, and it's found in many faces many places.

My brief comment was based on stories I've heard in the media combined with stories from people. You live here for a while and when a bad story hits the news and you hear the perp or perps in question resided in a certain subdivision, you aren't surprised, tends to be the same ones time and time. Ainaloa is one of them.

Domestic violence is a huge problem on the island, and that is just a fact. Go sit in the court and listen to the TRO hearings and the stories being told if you want a firsthand look at what goes on, or spend time in the ER and listen, or at the receiving room at the police station. All of which I've done in the last year. Or volunteer for one of the programs that helps victims. (when you live here).

There's a lot of wonderful stuff and also some dark stuff that happens here. I think it's easy to arrive all starry-eyed and in denial of any bad.. Some others go the opposite and over-react and freak out about crime. I think reality is somewhere in the middle.

[opihikao]

In reading the comment coppercoin40 refers to (thank you for addressing this, coppercoin40)certainly appreciate the clarification, KathyH.

Based on some of your past comments, I also interpreted this one as being quite offensive, regardless of your definition of "local".

As the old adage goes, it's not what you say, it's how you say it. Again, mahalo for the clarification.

randymu42, I am certain you will enjoy your new purchase! For what it's worth, introduce yourself to your new neighbors, and make contributions that will enhance the neighborhood you will now reside in. Lots of good people there, with good families, that need good neighbors to change the perception that KathyH has presented. I wish you the very best, and congratulations!

[coppercoin40]

Mahalo KathyH for the clarification, i don't think the problem lies in location, I think it is pretty much Anywhere, America - probably world for that matter. I understand the undercurrents of "Local" vs "local", or all "locals" vs "FOB".

I am in an area that once was much the same, but I feel now we have become more of a melting pot for anyone who wants to be part of a "community". I like it much better that way, I am "local" not "Local" but I feel all of this community has embraced change to include all.

randymu42, I agree with opihikao - embrace the community and the neighbors around be part of change for the good.

I find it interesting that not only are there micro-climates in Puna, but micro-communities as well.

Happy Fathers Day to all of you men out there that set the example for your young men growing up - they are our future.

[randymu42]

Thanks all for the input ( kathy,opihikao, copper) and to Green i understand where you are coming from, heck I leave things out where I live now it will be gone no differant here just more ppl to take your stuff sad world when u cant leave your things on your property. but we are loving ppl and hope our care for the area will bring something to the neighorhood that is a plus, we love the islands the ppl and the style and will respect the local's ways and in time be accepted if we are lucky !!

[coppercoin40]

with that winning attitude randy, you will be embraced with Aloha!

[missydog1]

ugh, I should not make posts on my phone, before having my coffee. It's not possible to be coherent about a complex topic.

opihikao, you are wrong about me; what we have here is message board confusion. I've done it to people too.

Look, I've lived here ten years, most of that time in neighborhoods where there were/are few other transplants. In all that time, I've never once offended any of my neighbors with any kind of prejudicial or stereotyping comment, and if I had the attitude you seem to think I have that I certainly would have stumbled into some sort of mess. No, it's only on Punaweb that people pick at stuff and misread it. I am guilty of the same, but am trying to not do that any more.

As for Ainaloa, what you see in a neighborhood will often depend on whom you have talked to. If you talk to all the people who are moving in and making changes, that is one outlook, but not the only one.

I was privileged to hear about life there from a kid who grew up there. He was a sort of delinquent kid who had straightened up. His relatives had knocked him around on a regular basis. He and his friends felt, growing up, that people who have more should be relieved of their extra stuff by people who have less. (FYI, in case someone decided to read another non-existent reference to Native Hawaiians into this, this young man was not Native Hawaiian. )

I have read a fair amount of Ainaloa-related news stories over the years here. I will see if I can find some of them archived and post some links for the OP.

[VancouverIslander]

I've driven around Ainaloa a few times (including the area I believe is called "Tiki Gardens"). There's diversity there, stretches that have a good vibe and other areas where you get a bit of a bad vibe. We looked at a lot of houses, usually in the lower end of the price range, and the places we looked at in Ainaloa didn't seem any better or worse than many places in HPP, Hawaiian Shores or anywhere else. About the same percentage of them were vandalized ad anywhere else (except Hawaiian Acres - higher rate there than anywhere else we looked, but our sample size wasn't huge so YMMV).

Really, your best bet is to talk to someone who lives there or has lived there. Even then, you will get a diversity of opinion because everyone has different expectations. Depending on what your expectations are, you may be very happy there.

[missydog1]

I seem to recall, from earlier topics, Punawebbers praising Aina Pua (Tiki Gardens). A search would probably pull up the references.

ed to add, right, Nancy Fryhover lived there.

[leilaniguy]

In 2008 I served on a Grand Jury.(Yes. the entire year.)The amount of indictments handed down in Puna were directly connected to population, with HPP coming in first, followed by The Beaches. Ainaloa was pretty far down the list. The sub. has been overshadowed by a couple of extremely violent cases of child and spousal abuse. Remember Hyacinth Po'ouahi?