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Originally posted by Kapohocat
My goal was to warm others not to speed. [:p][8][:p]
If you are in a hurry you should have left earlier!
-timeless advice from my father i heard only a trillion times!
Cheers
rainyjim
Wasnt in a hurry. I was doing the flow of traffic speed.
Yesterday on this same road, I did 25 again the entire length of Ainaloa Blvd. Got flipped off. Got passed by 4 cars. Got yelled at out the window by some one in a big red pick up truck. Also had to keep tapping the brake to stay at 25 in a few parts.
My question to the peanut gallery - have you tried doing 25 on this road and sticking to it?
And again, my goal is to warn others - heard of additional two more people who got tickets this week - with me, up to 5 of my friends.
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I'm a go-with-the-flow kind of guy too.
25 is a crawl on Ainaloa, especially when folks are tailgating you. What's "legal" is not necessarily what's safe. The benefits of "going with the flow" (within reason, of course) are reduced flip-offs, minimized road rage, and fewer impatient young idiots trying to pass you on a hill or curve.
Conversely, sometimes the speed limit is set too high for reasonable safety--like the part of the highway that goes past Malama shopping center. I always drop below the speed limit at that intersection to give myself time to offset the stupid intersection design and human error.
I understand the need for laws, but sometimes they are counterproductive. We'd be much better off if people used common sense rather than blindly obeying rules. And if it means paying a traffic ticket now and then, then I'll pay my dues and continue doing the right thing.
Edited to add: Thanks for the warning. 
Tim
A superior man is modest in his speech, but exceeds in his actions--Confucius
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Cat,the last time someone posted a warning about cops on Ainaloa,I did the same thing.
I drove 25.
I don't drive that road anymore because your only choices are,
A.Ticket
B.Death from a road rage accident
I believe the speed limit is set at 25 because of demands from Ainaloa
as part of the interconnect agreement !!
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I usually don't have to get anywhere for any reason, just some appointments here and there. I just pull over and let the tailgaters go by. Too many mainlanders bring their mainland driving habits and expectations to the islands. It is really starting to become noticeable with all the recognizable rental jeeps. Always driving way too fast, too distracted and frankly, like mainland a-holes.
*Japanese tourist on bus through Pahoa, "Is this still America?*
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Originally posted by pahoated
I usually don't have to get anywhere for any reason, just some appointments here and there. I just pull over and let the tailgaters go by. Too many mainlanders bring their mainland driving habits and expectations to the islands. It is really starting to become noticeable with all the recognizable rental jeeps. Always driving way too fast, too distracted and frankly, like mainland a-holes.
Pulling over is an option at any of the side streets (on the right hand side going up hill as I was) - but you cant pull off the road except at intersections because of the concrete bumps along the side of the road.
I personally do not think I was driving too fast or like a ETD: mainland asshole.
I was wondering what the traffic engineering study said about the speed limit on Ainaloa. They were supposed to have been done before the speed limit was set no matter what the property owners board wanted.
And again, this was a warning to be careful and not speed, or like someone else said drive flow of traffic and just know you might get a ticket. (all my friends 5 tix I know of were issued for speeds of 33-41 mph).
ETA: after some research I found that when the officer sits near the long house in Ainaloa, people complained. I was given my tix up at the top Augie's old house (past the last street - Augie had the "Ainaloa Bypass" when the gate was closed up there) and 9 RD. Just researching... nothing more. Paying fine, driving slow.
I drive fast and safe everywhere, wave to the cops, don't have a problem. 25 on Ainaloa is crazy, most drive 35. I think the biggest problem is mainland transplant A-holes all high on their concept of Aloha driving well under the speed limit usually in some POS predictable fuel efficient SUV or car with stupid bumper stickers. The road is for driving on, not acting out your philosophy of life and causing a butterfly effect 5 miles back. Follow the law, don't drive with Aloha, being nice on the road only makes for more traffic. There are numerous road studies to that effect showing those that drive slow, or let people out, or some other non-law prescribed BS "Aloha" cause major traffic problems that butterfly out into accidents. Drive fast, efficiently and don't force others to socialize with your back bumper, its a tool for transportation not some soap box of social awareness and concern. Yes, those that are driving way to fast are part of the problem too. Drive the flow of traffic which should at least be the speed limit, if not a little over. Oh and please drive decisively, constant unpredictable hesitation, second guessing and fear really mess things up. The accelerator is your friend when looking to pull out on to a highway and merge into a hole in the traffic. If you can't drive, please don't.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
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I'm not sure you " Kamaaina" appreciate the irony of your " mainland transplant" judgements.
Hilarious!
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I have to say that the most agro crazy drivers I've dealt with in Hawaii are not tourists, but locals (by which I mean people who live and grew up here of no specific race or combination of races), usually males in the 16-25 age group, driving some enormous jacked up truck, or a souped up little civic plastered with 808 stickers. These are ones who blow past me on the Maku'u blind hills when I'm driving the speed limit, these are the people who pull up right behind my little Scion when I'm in the center lane trying to merge onto the highway and then honk at me when I don't pull out because I can't see past them in their monster SUV. These are the drivers who dangerously weave in and out on the morning commute to Hilo, changing lanes 10 times in two miles, and we all still end up at the same stoplight at Puinako. The tourists in rent-a-jeeps are not driving into Hilo at 6:30 in the morning, tourists don't drive Ainaloa either, unless they got lost.
There is a real tendency to blame bad driving here on "mainland a**holes" but in my experience, our worst drivers are homegrown. I can't count how many times I've been illegally passed by vehicles with "slow down it ain't the mainland" or "Drive with Aloha" bumper stickers. According to our car insurance guy, Hawaii has pretty much the same demographics on risk factors for reckless driving as the mainland: age, gender, and family status are the primary indicators for how likely someone is to cause an accident. Over thirty, employed people with kids statistically tend to drive safely, and single males under 25 statistically tend to cause accidents, not very many people in that demographic group came here from the mainland.
Carol
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb
The worst for accidents statistically everywhere is teenagers. The second worst statistically everywhere are over 50. Im not talking about accidents but rather the flow of traffic and why driving slow is not the answer. My rant was aimed at those who's traffic causing solution was to drive slower with more Aloha. I've got about a half million miles under my belt driving every corner of this country, numerous speeding tickets but not a single at fault accident in a car. (motorcycles are different  But crashes on curvy roads in west texas, southeast ohio and eastern Tennessee don't count, and never hurt anyone but myself.)
Driving to fast is how you kill people, driving to slow is how you cause all the traffic problems. There is a balance. 90% of traffic will drive the correct speed regardless of speed limit signs.
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Greg and Carol, spot on as always.
Tim
A superior man is modest in his speech, but exceeds in his actions--Confucius
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