Gas

[dwedeking]

Were is Hawaii's gas imported from? Are we supplied by California's refineries?

"Government is good at one thing: it knows how to break your legs, hand you a crutch, and say, 'See, if it weren’t for the government, you wouldn’t be able to walk." - Harry Browne

[Carey]

Chevron & Tesoro (which probably will be sold by the end of the year) have had refineries on Oahu that supply the majority of transportation (and power generation) fuels statewide. Years ago, Hilo had a refinery, and much of the old infrastruture is still hanging about.

About 30% of the crude is shipped from each of the mainland US & Indonesia, and about 11.5% from each of Australia and China... the remaining ~17% is broken up into many very small pie shares with Asian, South AMerican and North American suppliers along with a little 0.5% from the Mid east

[dwedeking]

Thanks. California is getting killed (seeing $5 in places) due to local refinery issues (they require a special gas in that state) so was debating filling up in the morning even though I don't need to.

"Government is good at one thing: it knows how to break your legs, hand you a crutch, and say, 'See, if it weren’t for the government, you wouldn’t be able to walk." - Harry Browne

[Kapohocat]

There has been some non-scientific discussion that because Cal controls 55 electoral votes (and Hawaii only has 4) and that Cal is leaning heavily towards Obama that this is the "punishment" they are getting in order to coerce their votes the other way. True or not true, I dont know.

I heard this yesterday about the $5-6/gal gas - and thought OMG! Ours is going to hit the roof and as of today Hilo is still in the $4.35 range.

[Bullwinkle]

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/07/...s-20120807

It was a fire at the refinery - I was flying over the LA basin while it was going off never saw an article on that one - I could see the smoke plume a 100 miles out- a very big fire.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/20...s-say.html

in the above article they call it a normal flare

Then it turns out there was one in Richmond as well - It was right around the time the s*** hit the fan due to that you tube movie....

[terracore]

As of today the gas price in California ranges from a low of $3.91 to a high of $5.69. California has a gas tax of 35.7 cents per gallon, plus a 2.25% "sales and use tax" PLUS the California sales tax of 7.25% PLUS the local sales tax (depends on where you are, in LA the combined sales tax is 8.75%) PLUS 19.4 cents federal excise tax.

I would say that the high price of gas there has everything to do with triple or quadruple taxation on the gasoline and not some GOP conspiracy.

[SBH]

Big Island Biodiesel: $4.06 per gallon off road and $4.34 for on road B100 biodiesel.

Made in Hawaii for Hawaii, employing people in Puna.

http://www.biodiesel.com/index.php/techn...ening_2012

[sittall]

Am presently in the SF Bay Area visiting family. Gas prices abruptly shot up a shocking 20 cents a gallon Friday morning. Same day long lines of cars started showing up at Costco pumps which were still lingering at $4.29 a gallon. Most other places are now around $4.65. Sure do hope Hawaii gas prices don't follow suit.

[dldixon]

When gas prices go up, why do you blame taxes? It's supply and demand. The oil companies have the supply and demand more for it.

[tada]

Let's boycott greedy capalistic pig service stations. Everybody with me?[?]