Pittbulls - It finally happened to me

[dayna]

***My life changed so drastically, for a while, after this happened. I think I have, like, post-tramatic whatever. ***

You do, believe me. Such traumatic things can really really really affect you.

I would suggest doing some dog therapy, I'd go to the humane society and socialize with some friendly pit bulls. Just to help you to get past it.

Dayna

www.E-Z-Caps.com

[ericlp]

quote:

---

Originally posted by dayna


I would suggest doing some dog therapy, I'd go to the humane society and socialize with some friendly pit bulls. Just to help you to get past it.

---

Are you serious ???? Damn... Why don't we let a raging pit bull chomp on your for awhile and you can go down to the humane society and socialize all you want if you can make it down there limping with one leg...

Come On!!!! Have you been reading this thread? If this dog goes to the humane society there is no hope for it but certain DEATH... You don't socialize with a owner that trained it's dog to attack everything it sees... Those types of dogs are ruined forever... FOR LIFE because of stupid owners.

Get a clue and read the entire postings before you post.

This person doesn't need to socialize with any dog... She already has a dog she socializes every day!

So, the humane society picked up the dog, atleast that's what the guy said he was going to do when he called. I haven't been able to walk the 100' up the road to see if he's there. They deemed the dog a "dangerous dog" after all; they weren't planning on doing that originally.

Good Job!!!!!

[dmbwest]

So who's gonna 'pick up' the nasty owner ?

aloha,
pog no like mean dog

[Jeffhale]

a little 'slightly' helpful advise when dealing with an aggressive pit, or any dog..

Sure get gun n shoot da miserable monger!! LOL, no,,

Learned a hard lesson in almost two years.. We moved into a town, (albeit our specific location is nice)That the city moved most of the HUD people out to, and so, there are neighborhoods, and spots where it's not nice to leave your door/car or property , unlocked.

2 years ago, shortly after we settled in, plenty news stories of home invasions..

Long to short a neighbor told us of a bread that's a great protection dog a brindle catahoula leopard.. and we bought a Puppy,, actually two, we fell in love with brother and sister.. there was a hint of pit in them the seller completely denied.. These were pure bread, but of a different verity of the catahoula leopard. and they grew up to be identical to the best in breed.. .

We learned 3 months later,, 100 years ago,, people understood brothers and sisters need to be separated and treaded in order or who's #1 and #2.

The female was #1, and male 2.. But we favored the male which made things worse, so she attacked him occasionally.

Then one morning I heard them fighting, which was normal play activity. but 5 minutes later I heard em again,, then 2 more minutes i had to check..
They were locked, and He #2 would NOT let go.. She responded to me instantly but he was locked. I tried every imaginable thing to get him to break lose but,, it wasn't until i Kicked him almost to the extent of abuse.. or lets just say,, hard enough to hurt him. Which I never treat and animal or anything in such a way, but,, ...

Anyways, I searched the net to discover the brother/sister, or puppies raised together priority.

We'd actually caused her to attack him by favoring.. whereas we should have feed em separately, her first, and played with her first, walked etc..


not much to do with this whole topic,, except as I narrow to the finish or this hard learned lesson.

We gave her to the neighbor who advised us to get one, and all seemed to be good..

we trained him and her for the little time she was with us. played walked and attempted to teach him to socialize with other dogs..

All seemed well until about 6 months ago, he was fully grown, about 50 pounds. I wanted to let him play by himself, out of the fenced yard.. as there were 3 other dogs always out too. carefully watching his every move..

a few hours later I walked him down the street where a neighbor had always wanted me to let him play with his female 100 pound boxer, about 4 months younger than ours..


wherever they met,, a normal exchange of growling,, barking,, testing each other,, as expected.. sniffing etc,,.. and then they broke into a fight,, which was kind-a expected too. normally a quick exchange of small bits and somebody proves who's #1 and #2.. it was her yard after all..

I expected this to be quick and one or the other,, would turn and show the belly.. Him being 50 pounds and her 100,, duhh no brainier?? LOL

They knew each other too as she was always out..

Anyways,, she turned first.. so we expected it was over,, but dam, If mine didn't take advantage of this,, scurry around, bit her leg then go for her throat, and THEN LOCKED!!

now we got 2 grown men pulling, then hitting, then kicking, then trying to pry his mouth open, while hitting and or kicking.. then the owner comes along who was so upset he hit him on the head so hard, he broke his hand..

Previously as he grew,, my wife couldn't manage him because his head, or he could take so much punishment he thought this is a play routine..

I taught him to respond to me quick,, within a day or so when we got him.. but,, she wouldn't go by the rules, and has never been able to control him..


he'll wimpler on my voice commands if needed, but not for her..

and now I'm into a dog fight and there's absolutely nothing I can do to get him to let go!!

Then the boxers owner kicked him straight in the balls!!!

BAM!!! and, whelp he didn't yelp BUT, . he let go!!


He didn't show much sign of injury, I donno maybe they are only slightly not as hard as his head?



I've spoken to a lot of people since then, many who've owned PiTT's, and all have agreed, when or if they lock,, the only way out is to kick em in the Kahunas.


Had I a clue I would have in short order.. I can't tell you how much I apologized to the boxer's owner,, unlike your problems that guy wont accept responsibility..

although that owner asked me several time to let them play,, It's my dog, it's my responsibility..


it was his yard too..


three grown men on a 50 pound dog, not stick, kick, hitting, beating nothing would stop my dog..

because of that single time,, actually 2, 3 months puppy and then this,, we intend to give him away but,, can't find anybody who we deem responsible enough to do it.. and worse is, our only other option is to have him put down..

He's a great dog,, loves U to death, (pun), but seriously, well trained, loves to play with anybody. Butt,, the chances are soo high if he gets out of the fence, and tries to play with a child, who gets scared and runs,, he could lock..



when there's 2, it's a team and if you hurt 1, most likely they'll both run..

it's awfully brutal sounding .. But!!


Male or female dog,, when you are in a heat completely out of control,, concentrate on kicking em where it hurts!!

[dayna]

quote:

---

Originally posted by ericlp

quote:

---

Originally posted by dayna


I would suggest doing some dog therapy, I'd go to the humane society and socialize with some friendly pit bulls. Just to help you to get past it.

---

Are you serious ???? Damn... Why don't we let a raging pit bull chomp on your for awhile and you can go down to the humane society and socialize all you want if you can make it down there limping with one leg...

---

Yes, I have read the thread. When you have a fear, or have had a traumatic experiance, many experts suggests Immersion therapy.

In my line of work, I have been "chomped on" by dogs. Different breeds, and I found that getting back on the horse helped me not have lingering fears about a specific circumstance or breed.

Dayna

www.E-Z-Caps.com

[ericlp]

Sorry I guess if I had a pit bull that wouldn't unlock on command I feel the dog wasn't raised right. The dog is NEVER EVER #1 you are #1... The dog looks up to you as the pack leader and you get this straight at puppy stage and you will never have a problem with your dog. Sometimes you have to break them (it sounds a bit cruel) and maybe it is, but the dog must learn who it's pack leader is and the bigger the dog the harder you have to reinforce it. I'm sure there is a better technique to doing this as I was never trained how to do it correctly but... it's an animal world and let me tell you if your dog is not being submissive to you than he/she thinks they are the pack leader... Very Bad!

Dayna: I guess some times it works differently for people. Glad that worked out for you.

[MarkP]

This is gonna sound harsh but life's too short and there are lots of dogs in the world, dogs that don't put everyone through this. I can see the argument for putting such a dog to sleep even though he does love you to death the majority of the time.

[dmbwest]

To jeff's reply .... yawn.

pog

[Jeffhale]

quote:

---

Originally posted by ericlp

Sorry I guess if I had a pit bull that wouldn't unlock on command I feel the dog wasn't raised right. The dog is NEVER EVER #1 you are #1...

---

Yeah ya thunk?,, But that's the whole point in my adding to this thread. I've raised and trained plenty dogs. I've never had a dog that I've EVER needed to hit, kick and or abuse to maintain control.. For the most part, your dog, regardless of breed, will develop similar personalities.

That's to say; will respond to your cue, know what to expect from you and you him/her; behave similar to others your trained. Currently, we have two now,, we rescued a mini schnauzer from a abused coke-head life. It was so scared and aggressive needed to be caged for a week, while hand fed.. about 8 months now,, and he's a happy camper. In like kind, responds as any other I've had..However I might add, when the coke-head let this dog out the door he'd RUN!!, which is one of the reasons we'd met this guy,, at least once a week hunting for it..

Even now, if he gets out the door he wont stop till he's covered the whole neighborhood, and then some..

Special characteristic's of a breed or personality,, for the most part, will always remain..



But,, and i re-iterate, the above catahoula,, is NOT a pitt. they are also not accepted into the AKC as a breed though.. I guess this is because of the various animals they've been breed with, Pitt likely in this case..

But the point in long story is; at 3-4 months, while his sister did respond, stopped fighting,, her being the aggressor too, at that stage, he would not unlock..



Hence the advise given too..

3 grown men could not get him to let go of this 100 pound, twice his weight boxer. Who, also, at the time had turned, stopped fighting, gave no resistance. ..

This topic is about an aggressive dog attack which could have gotten much worse than it did, not about 'My' dog.
Obviously, to understand, in the event anything like that happens again..

Dogs of this nature, designed as hunting animals, 100's of years breed to be un-sensitive to an assault by whatever prey..


Mine,, worse case scenario, unresponsive to 'master's' voice, attempts to pull away by collar,, kicks, hits, even trying to wedge his mouth open with a stick.

A vulnerability that can be exploited in the heat of it all.

This is the only reason I've responded to this topic with a personal experience..

"Male or female dog,, when you are in a heat; completely out of control,, concentrate on kicking em where it hurts!!"

[coppercoin40]

@ Jeffhale, if you are going to try to introduce dogs that will potentially attempt to establish top dog status such as the catahoula or pitbull, you should have a wet towel handy. Difficult to do but gripping the ends of the towel get it over the locked dog nose and mouth as much as possible and hold it tight. The object is to prevent the locked dogs breathing so it will let go.

I would put the dog down. It is to much of a liability to own or to even give to someone else. You KNOW that dog will potentially attack and lock on a person, maybe a child. Do you want someone elses life on your hands? Do you want to keep your dog isolated for its own and others safety?