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whoever designed the malama market, longs, pahoa bypass intersection area needs to be incarcerated. kahakai only a 1/4 mile away just adds to the confusion.
a traffic light at kahakai and the ability to cross the street directly to the old kfc may be wise.
a huge roundabout with exits to malama market, hwy 130 (north and south bound) and pahoa main street may be wise.
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Rene: Re: pompous HDOT attitudes-
Tsk, tsk on you ungrateful colonials.
With Inouye gone, expect things to deteriorate
for the neighbor islands in terms of what will be fundable and funded
here.
Our politicians and administrative officials are mostly Oahucentric,
thus I think the HDOT attitude you observed at the meeting.[  !]
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Two roundabouts: one in front of Malama, one at Kahakai, connected into a giant figure-8 like in the old Hotwheels commercials.
CRISS CROSS CRASH
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Didn't know there was another roundabout planned for the Kahakai intersection. It occurs to me that will look like an infinity loop. And I can see it will be a fun pastime at night to drive in a continuous loop, around and around. But then it occurs to me, that is also the layout for a demolition derby track.
So, Rob and James both admit to being part of that alternate route working group, lasting almost ten years with no real conclusion?
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First I would like to say that it would be in everyone’s best interest if the County were to make a reasonably small investment in a modern day roadway engineer or send Mr. Takesh!ta to the mainland for an update on established modern day roadway engineering (preferably in the United States). It’s very clear he’s had far too many years of unfettered dictatorial creation in sensory overloading and anti flow controls thus creating some of the most unique clusters of roadway in US history. News flash… The Big Island is no longer an overwhelmingly sprawled out plantation camp. Another idea is to send photos of Mr. Takesh!ta’s roadway designs to the federal DOT as well as to other State DOTs for peer review (a professional peer review might blow the vog from between his ears). In the meanwhile Mr. Takesh!ta should dust off those old civil engineering text books, put on his reading glasses and look for the phrase “Traffic Flow”. It isn’t a colonial thing; it’s a contemporary human race sort of thing.
Also - I would like to point my finger towards the ground and invite Mr. Takesh!ta to explore the unique nature of the soil conditions on this Island compared to that of the mainland US. Now if he recognizes the unique advantageous soils here on the Big Island to that of the mainland US he should quickly crack open those old text books to the tunnel design chapter. Imagine saving the county millions to avoid land acquisitions while keeping traffic flowing during improvements.
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Doesn’t Pahoa have some sort of business and citizens group who meet on a regular basis? Do all the various community boards in Puna ever meet together to discuss issues such as highway connections? As long as Puna in general fails to meet once in a while on something as simple as the type of highway access methods they desire, then you’re leaving the decision to the DOT. A meeting for the citizens of Puna to discuss with the DOT the intended highway improvements will get Puna nowhere. If you want roundabouts and demolition tracks placed on the highway, then by all means, don’t get together. Otherwise get together arm in arm and have a basic sketch as to the type of acceptable highway connectors you will accept. Go to the next County council meeting arm in arm and present to the council what you want to see done in Puna along the highway with regard to on-ramps/off-ramps and underpasses (tunnels). It’s no secret on how it should be done properly, a large chunk of us have lived where these things are done properly. You now know that you can’t rely on the DOT to do things properly so what’s holding everyone back? HPP, HS, Leilani, Pahoa, etc. put together a Puna meeting or ask your representatives to put it together. Everyone bring some modern roadway sketches, photos etc and get something together that the county council can’t ignore. To be frank this is something our council members should have already done. Our representatives need to get on the ball if they want to see Puna develop in a productive mannerism.
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tunnel?
how about a traffic light at Kahakai and block off the other entrance to 130
what would it take a week including painting new lines and signs
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How about the following, something that will last a few decades and is inline with common DOT practices across the nation -
http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q740...e3008e.png
OR the following plan which would be more inline with correct DOT design and reduce traffic accidents. The roundabout will prove a disaster accident wise.
http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q740...dcc82f.png
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quote:
Originally posted by Seeb
tunnel?
how about a traffic light at Kahakai and block off the other entrance to 130
what would it take a week including painting new lines and signs
Yes, most of the problem is a long straight stretch in both directions before coming to what is basically an S-curve with multiple intersections. There aren't any caution signs before the curve and the speed limit through there is 50, so naturally everybody is doing 55. Just connecting Kahakai together and putting a conventional 4-way stop light at the intersection, with pull out lanes is going to solve most of the problem, people going too fast and the totally confused appearance it has now. The other thing is just make Kahakai the exit for Pahoa center and get rid of the one at the T-intersection. Lot less disruptive and a lot more safe, plus probably being a lot cheaper. And you aren't going to sit at a stoplight at night, they all have sensors these daze.
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quote:
Originally posted by pahoated
So, Rob and James both admit to being part of that alternate route working group, lasting almost ten years with no real conclusion?
Another comment out of the wild blue yonder...
make it up as you go along.
Not sure what "alternate route working group" is referred to here.
The HPPOA membership, on a motion by Jerry Carr, established a committee in October 2010, to learn more about what was planned regarding an "alternate route", to communicate those plans to HPP owners, and to find out what HPP owners' opinions were.
The committee was comprised of 5 HPP owners, including myself and that is the only such group I have worked on focussing on an alternate route.
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