If you have a dog

[TomK]

Frank and spunky - I'm on the Hilo side of Pilikai.

Tom
http://apacificview.blogspot.com/

[TomK]

MarkP - I can assure you that everything I'm aware of has been documented and sent to the relevant authorities. I do not stand in the street documenting everything that has happened 24 hours a day so can't speak for others, hence the "deafening silence". Sorry if you or Andrew don't like that but what we have done is now taking effect and the problem should be over soon. Thank you for your concern.

Tom
http://apacificview.blogspot.com/

[TomK]

Pog,

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I don't think pepper spray has been mentioned yet ... Maybe a good defense + 'training' device for the dogs ?

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I have pepper spray, bought it a week or so ago. I now carry it with me in the yard as a final line of defense. Fortunately the first two lines of defense worked during the last attack so can't tell you if it works with this particular dog.

Tom
http://apacificview.blogspot.com/

[dmbwest]

Howzit Tom,

Going by previous stuffs here, you and I are prolly the only ones up right now !

Too late ( in story : ) now but I do believe a quick blast of that stuff would shape those puppys right up ... They get over to yard, blast, they come on street aggressively, blast, they bark too much ...

The spray would work like electric fence eventually IMO.

Shoots ... I bet you might even be able to fake it with hand-spraying position and a phhhssssss sound while leaning at them one day.

Have a nice, incisor free, weekend.
aloha,
pog

[TomK]

Well, right now I suspect the attack dog is still deaf in one ear - those air horns are bloody loud and it stopped the attack in an instant as well as alerting everyone else what was going on. The dog used its usual strategy - a silent charge out of the darkness followed up by a final warning two yards away while it leaps up, barks, and is taller than you. Getting the pepper spray out of my pocket wasn't going to happen but I did have the cricket bat in one hand and the air horn in the other...

Oh, have to go. What was that dear? I can't hear you...

Tom
http://apacificview.blogspot.com/

[Midnight Rambler]

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Originally posted by DickWilson

have agree with Tomk. viscous dogs that are attacking you need to be dealt with at that time. Anyone who poisons a dog should get a bullet behind the ear and a oneway trip to a lava tube. period.

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F&*k that. This is one thing about Hawaii that I really find disgusting - the attitude that the life of a dog is worth more than that of a human. Let your dog run around and attack people (and other dogs!), and both the person and the dog get nothing or at most a slap on the wrist, made to move somewhere else where they inflict the same suffering on another group of people. But even suggest taking out the dog and the cops will be all over you.

[Frank]

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Originally posted by TomK

Frank and spunky - I'm on the Hilo side of Pilikai.

Tom
http://apacificview.blogspot.com/

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much mahalos TomK...maybe we will run across each other one of these days...good luck with your yard duty, hope ya get to enjoy it soon

[Guest]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vo...3-0009.HTM

Hawaii Revised Statue 663-9

Owner liable for animal’s damage to property and/or persons - regardless if owner claims he did not know animal was vicious.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vo...9_0001.HTM

Hawaii Revised Statute 663-9.1

Owner exempt from liability if animal attacks intruder on owner’s property.

[MarkP]

Well, I am sure there is a lesson in here for me. My point is that whereas Carey found the emphasis on documenting injuries noteworthy I actually found the lack of emphasis and failure to address that particular question in the forum noteworthy. I was highlighting the difference in our viewpoints.

To be fair, there are those who, in such a situation, would dramatically describe how the dog attacked them and how they would have been "dead" if they had not done X, Y or Z, whereas the fact that they don't have a scratch would suggest otherwise. I don't think that is the case here but I do think that it is a perfectly legitimate question to ask (about documenting the injuries).

[csgray]

From Tom's ongoing description of the attacks it sounds like there was a whole series of close calls spanning months and involving many different people and pets in the neighborhood. People shouldn't have to arm themselves with pepper spray, air horns and bats just to go out in their own yard, or walk in their neighborhood, and no one is going to go to those lengths unless they feel it is truly needed. Attacks that can be quite traumatic don't always result in injuries, but are indications that it is only a matter of time until someone's luck runs out and they get mauled. It seems like Mark doesn't think anything short of ripped flesh counts. I am not sure why it is supposed to be Tom's responsibility to "document" injuries, that would be the job of our tax payer funded law enforcement.

Allowing dogs to run loose is illegal, continuing to let your dogs run loose after your neighbors have let you know it is a problem is rude, and letting the dogs run loose after neighbors have reported that your dogs are behaving aggressively towards people and pets shows a complete lack of concern for others that borders on pathological. The dogs' owners are the ones at fault here, not Tom and his neighbors who cannot even go out in their own yards or walk the roads they pay for in safety.


Carol