bag ban in action

[Bullwinkle]

Would think removing said lunch meat in a public place may cause more of a ripple in the social fabric - grin

[Greg]

Please folks;

Sit down.......relax.........breath deeply........deal with it........it's gonna be OK..............We are an adaptable species.......[]

[Kapohocat]

[quote]Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

I agree Carey, it's not a tax. The stores have to buy shopping bags, just like everything else they sell. In the past they offered them "for free," which means the cost was included in the markup of other items in the store. Now, they sell the bags like they sell everything else.../quote]

Just a question - if the stores were adding bags into part of their mark-up, and now charging for those same bags, can we expect to see our grocery bills to come proportional to the decrease even if it is miniscule.

This is why I think in my Pollyanna world, the deal foodland had for the first two weeks or so was a better idea. You got 3 points on your makai card for each bag of your own you used. Since we use those for FF miles, I made hubby run out to car to grab our bags to eliminate both the bag charge and get the points.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

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Originally posted by afwjam

I reject force both as part of my religion and also as part of my political philosophy, the same as Jefferson, Bastiat, Franklin and those types.

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I would guess Jefferson, Basiat, & Franklin brought a burlap bag or wood box in which to carry their groceries when they went shopping. So the bag law takes us back to a more enlightened era.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

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Originally posted by afwjam

I reject force both as part of my religion and also as part of my political philosophy, the same as Jefferson, Bastiat, Franklin and those types.

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I would guess Jefferson, Basiat, & Franklin brought a burlap bag or wood box in which to carry their groceries when they went shopping. So the bag law takes us back to a more enlightened era.

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Your entirely missing the point.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by MarkP

Even before the ban I would often stop the cashier as they were putting a single candybar into a bag. Now I nestle a few items into the crook of my arm. I guess a bag would be slightly more convenient and in the case of multiple items would be necessary but for 3 or 4 items it really is hardly an issue. There is a psychological hurdle to get over though. Store staff sometimes acts like it is wrong to stuff luncheon meat in your pants.

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Great story. I like how you used to take responsibility for your goods and how they were packed and carried. I used to do the same thing, including recycling bags at their end of life.

[Carey]

A TAX is a fee that goes to the governmental agency... this fee does not, so IT IS A FEE AND THE COST IS NOT MANDATED, just that they can not give the bags away "for free" (something no retailer ever did...)

Hate to break an illusion, but you have ALWAYS paid for these bags, but the retailers covered the cost so that you never saw it as a cost of buying the bags...

Many retailers are now internalizing the fee as a part of their gross receipts, so you are now given the OPTION of purchasing the bags (something you were not in the previous way of doing business...)

You were always charged, but never saw the charge & some believed that they were "free"... so those that do not like the "new" way must actually like paying for things, wether they use them or not & like retailers to placate them into thinking they are getting something for free.....

I like the new way... paying for what I use & not paying if I decide not to use the bags... & I do like the fact that this is not a tax that goes to a "black hole government".

I like that the amount of the fee is up to the retailers...only that they are to charge for this product/service they offer....

[Guest]

Tax or not, as I understand it businesses will not be allowed to distribute plastic bags in 2014. This is government telling people what choices they can make with force. I reject the force.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

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Originally posted by afwjam

Your entirely missing the point.

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afwjam - I think I did understand your point. You would like stores and customers to be able to use of any type of bag they choose, without a specific type banned, or a cost mandated.

I was trying to make a point of my own, which was that I don't take this issue too seriously. People like Jefferson, Bastiat, and Franklin were able to accomplish the things they did, because they didn't spend a lot of time worrying about how to carry groceries. Burlap bag, wooden box, whatever works. Throw it in the wagon and lets get that Declaration of Independence signed.

[DTisme]

fyi, Target credits you for every bag you bring and use. I think it's 6-cents/bag.