It does not really matter. I hope people will donate to KYBC. I appreciate all those that do so silently and I think there is also no harm in encouraging others by showing that you have done so. Its much nobler to announce your support for a charity that you actually support, rather then to announce support for a charity that you wish to be funded by the fruits of someone else's labor forcefully taken from them.
The same force that is used to collect taxes is also used to enforce things such as this plastic bag ban. The initiation of force is something that we as a society should be progressed enough and wise enough to reject wholeheartedly. Collective force is not a good means to and end.
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"I have been taught my whole life to be non-violent" - afwjam March 2013
"[...]do not point the gun at them unless you are going to shoot them. Shoot to kill." - afwjam May 2012
So discouraging plastic bags is violence according to you, but killing someone isn't?
Strange dichotomy.
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Paul,
This post is about plastic bags and this forum is about puna.
Neither have to do with personal attacks, why don't you send afwjam a private message through the forum if you really feel it necessary to cast derision upon him.
I for one don't care to see such posts and I doubt many others care for the mud slinging either. Instead why don't you do something productive help someone, say some kind words, volunteer. It's unhealthy and degrading to spend your time attacking other people in such a way.
agreed Jim. I never should have responded. I have answered the same attack probably three times before, he is like a broken record. I will try harder myself to stay on topic by ignoring Paul in the future.
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Andrew, you label anything you don't agree with as "violence" (even if it's a measure to discourage plastic bags) and anyone who disagrees with you is engaging in personal attacks.
I don't want to be lectured on violence by someone who advises others to kill.
Yes, please ignore me.
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Originally posted by DTisme
fyi, Target credits you for every bag you bring and use. I think it's 6-cents/bag.
Yes (and KTA does too), but the annoying thing is that they don't credit you if you simply don't use a bag at all, nor do they usually count a backpack as a "reusable bag". So you have to go through the trouble of bringing in a bag in order to get the credit (not really worth it for $0.06).
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LOL... After paying the 9.X% sales taxes in Washington State for so many years. I don't see this bag tax as a big deal, just add it to the already extremely low sales tax total and it doesn't look so bad. 5-40 cents additional tax for a grocery run, no biggie.
E ho'a'o no i pau kuhihewa.
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We are all paying the price for the bag ban. Virtually every community that has enacted them has seen spikes in shoplifting (some over 20%). Merchants don't "absorb" this cost they pass it on. Also, people buy less stuff (they only buy as much stuff as will fit in their bags) and when sales go down, prices go up. Then when a person gets home they remember "ah, I forgot to buy toilet paper because I was only thinking of stuff that would fit into my stupid reuseable bags" so they make a special trip to the store for it, consuming as much energy to make that one trip than it would have taken to produce and recycle 2,000 plastic bags.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Plast...71981.html
Years from now when we're using biodegradable plastic bags we'll look back at this as just as silly as trying to save gasoline by lowering the speed limit to 55. We would have saved a lot more gas by enforcing proper tire inflation and avoided absorbing the collective costs of goods and services spending millions of more hours on the road.
Oh... and then there are the arguments about the energy consumed 1) washing and drying reusable bags and 2) treating the illnesses caused by people putting their produce into the same bag that was absorbing raw chicken juices the day before.
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I re-purpose all my plastic bags and all the paper bags, and no bag that I've ever walked out of the store with has ended up blowing around the countryside. So, if the problem is litter, why not go after the actual problem and make it against the law to litter, instead of punishing all those folks who do not litter?
Actually, I do use those fabric shopping bags. Because they ride around in my car, they are all completely covered in dog hair, so I drag them around the grocery store, carry them in the grocery cart, and set them on the counter to bag my groceries, all the while spewing dog hair everywhere I walk in the store. But darn, it makes me feel good to do my bit to preserve the ecology.
