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#11
OMG. [B)]

Where does your neighbor live? If it's out of state, someone needs to be able to deal with this legally. Is there a realtor, lawyer, or have they assigned someone as their representative? Alot of the calls to police from Puna are for "squatters", "removal of tenants", etc., and someone has to have legal documentation to deal with it. In this instance, good for you for caring, and hopefully, there will be follow up by the police.

Unfortunately, the bulk of calls in the Puna area (with shorthanded police force) are active domestic violence, active assaults, active attempted suicides, and the like. These kinds of calls obviously take priority. On a Friday night, there are too many calls going on in Puna to count!!!

Puna has never enjoyed the basic need for officers per capita, especially nowadays. There are calls for "holdovers" daily, where officers have to volunteer to work extra hours, and/or double shift. Short staffed to say the least.

Not making excuses, however, the home owner needs to make provisions for an empty house. (Lucky for your neighbors, you are trying to do the right thing, while helping them). There is state law that kicks in when an owner leaves Hawai'i and cannot physically represent themselves, it requires a resident/contact for that property, especially if it's a rental.

The cops can only do so much, and with the manpower they are operating with it makes this case seem "less important". I have to believe that they do want the information, and will follow up, it is just a matter of when. (FYI, there is a group they are looking for in Puna that is actively robbing houses, running strip joints in vacant houses in Paradise Park, etc.)

There is no excuse for shoddy police work. Period. Write the Police Commission if necessary, or the Chief of Police and see what happens(don't hold your breath, just saying). Lots of good suggestions already stated here, too.

Sure wish I had a neighbor like you. [Smile] Good luck.


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#12
My interpretation may not be correct but is based on my experience. The number he gave is an "incident number" or in their terms a "ticket number", as opposed to a "case number". Every call may be assigned an incident number but only incidents resulting in an actual "report" are assigned a case number. It could be that all case numbers generated during a shift require that a report be completed by the end of the shift. He may have delayed requesting the case number pending the receipt of your video and was planning pulling a case number (based on the incident number) if he was able to gather enough evidence that "justified" a report, in his mind. Probably a bit of laziness involved.

As the person who initially gathered the "evidence" your information, including identifiers like DOB, are necessary to document the chain of custody and as you are now a witness. He needs that info.

I would burn the video onto a CD to give to the officer. Burn another for your records. No other personnel will want to burn the video to CD for the officer as they then become part of the chain of custody.

Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
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#13
They live in the house...

I only noticed anything when I saw the 2 girls...not from our neighborhood... climbing the front stairs & only because I was out front planting mini mangos & knew they were at the festival...

When I went in to call the neighbors then police, I also reviewed the video, & the boys had been in & around the house an hour earlier (when I was at the plant sale..) One other neighbor was also out, called the police minutes before I did on his cell & was also interviewed by the police...

If they are understaffed, why in the world would they request the video for a ticket that cannot have evidence???? There also the fact the officer had been on our street, after the phone calls but before the response... possibly for another call, but this is a fairly small neighborhood with an active coconut wireless & a lot of retirees... nothing so far...

Added:Oink the staff answering the phone at HQ stated a ticket starting with an "M" was a "Miscellaneous Ticket" & the number does start with an "M" & they cannot gather any evidence for a "M" ticket...The officer did not ask for my neighbors DOB, though he knew neither of us by name, & wrote both down...I do not know if he knows my neighbors DOB by heart, has it on his cell, or what.. But only my DOB was requested...which I found odd...

My only other happenstance (when the cops chased a car into my car & fence) had an initial "T" ticket that was then made into a "C" ticket after over a month of my explaining that MY car was not in any "traffic", as it was parked for the night ... & our insurance would not cover the "T" ticket without going on my record due to 'no fault'
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#14
Apparently everyone missed the "sorry, we're bankrupt" memo.

County doesn't have enough "resources" to provide any kind of response to (most) "private" subdivisions; if you really need/want that level of security, hire it through your HOA dues.
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#15
Carey's subdivision is not private, I do not believe.
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#16
Cat is right, not private & is in town. I really DO understand the no money thing, but if there is no money & no time...

WHY REQUEST THE VIDEO EVIDENCE FOR A TICKET THAT IS WRITTEN IN A WAY NOT TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THE VIDEO EVIDENCE???

If the office had not requested the video, I would not have spent the time MAKING the video (this was a good portion of an afternoon of cut & paste to get the clips in the high resolution plus including the required copy of the encoded viewing program - over 20gig data) & I would not have taken the time to follow up, only to be assured that there was no mechanism to accept the video evidence with the way the officer wrote the ticket...as there can be NO EVIDENCE for this ticket....

Actually, most likely this is a case of technology being sooo ahead of this county, as the police do not have any on-board method to make a copy, and the only staffing that does have the capability to make a high res. encoded video copy is in Hilo...unfortunately most low cost copy methods do not make it...so the options are very limited & by writing the ticket the way the officer chose, there really are no options...
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#17
Hmm, my mistake -- though County washing their hands of the incident as "occuring on private property" was the most likely explanation... so now I have to ask:

If you're getting this level of "service" despite being "in town", what should the rest of us expect? I already don't bother calling in stray dogs and gunshots, what exactly are my tax dollars paying for anyway?
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#18
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Originally posted by kalakoa

Hmm, my mistake -- though County washing their hands of the incident as "occuring on private property" was the most likely explanation... so now I have to ask:

If you're getting this level of "service" despite being "in town", what should the rest of us expect? I already don't bother calling in stray dogs and gunshots, what exactly are my tax dollars paying for anyway?



maybe wagon training for 1 plate lunch...
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#19
Even in town, the dogs & gunshots, domestic fighting without weapons...are not worth a call, but the kids entering a neighbors house...well...that I thought might be.... but obviously the kids knew better, as they had entered 2 times that day!

& the police do not think that 2 unrelated eye witnesses calling & attesting to kids entering a house are worth much... of their time, energy or concern...
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#20
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Originally posted by Carey

2 unrelated eye witnesses calling & attesting to kids entering a house are worth much... of their time

We had two brothers (under 18) stealing building supplies from construction sites a few years back. A neighbor spotted them one night when the kids made themselves obvious with their flashlight. The police were called, arrived in time to catch the kids in the act. The neighbor was told there was no need for a report, as the officer would give the kids a ride home and tell their dad. Don't know if the final outcome was that nothing happened and the kids took to stealing elsewhere, or if the next police call that night was for domestic abuse at the house where the kids were dropped off.
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