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Kitty confrontation in Keaau
#31
To those who are interested in the welfare of our animals in Hawaii and especially in this county, there is a new group that has formed called HAWC (Hawaii Animal Welfare Coalition). The main goal for this group is to help push forward legislation at the county level to put a ban on backyard breeding (multiple states have this and it has reduced the number of dogs and cats significantly) and legislation for the humane treatment of animals here on the island. Hawaii is top 3 worst in the country. If anyone is interested feel free to send me a private message. I understand this is out of place, but seemed like an opportunity to get those interested involved.
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#32
Oink, by living my life with compassion for ALL, I think I am right in there with evoltionary competition. I do NOT follow the biblical teaching that animals were put here for our edification. ALL life is sacred. And no, I don't consume animal products. You have often expressed your love of guns. To me, you are an evolutonary step backward and perhaps signal the demise of humans at which point of feline friends will rule. So shoot em up, cowboy. You're a real man.
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#33
"ALL life is sacred"

You don't eat plants either?
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#34
Thankyou Jackson!
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#35
@PaulW, I've lived this way for a long time. I stopped responding to to that little bit of absurdity many years ago. Aloha.
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#36
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Related dumb question: why is County *leasing* land from Shipman for this? Doesn't County have some land that's already paid for?

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Excellent point!
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#37
Why aren't the animal welfare people thinking of the native bird population that ferrel cats are killing?

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Rob L
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Rob L
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#38
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Why aren't the animal welfare people thinking of the native bird population that ferrel cats are killing?

Aloha,
Rob L


They obviously value cats over birds, invasive over native. Now if the cats ate the coquis I might support them...
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#39
If you're expecting meaningful dialogue, you best keep moving.

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Originally posted by jackson: (1)Oink, by living my life with compassion for ALL, (2)I think I am right in there with evoltionary competition. (3)I do NOT follow the biblical teaching that animals were put here for our edification. (4)ALL life is sacred. (5)And no, I don't consume animal products. (6)You have often expressed your love of guns. (7)To me, you are an evolutonary step backward and perhaps signal the demise of humans (8)at which point of feline friends will rule. (9)So shoot em up, cowboy. (10)You're a real man.

1) Compassion for all? Where is your compassion for the native birds. I would bet the native bird population near the cat "colony" is zero. I live my life with compassion. In this instance my compassion lies more strongly with the native birds. Even when compassionate, sometimes hard choices have to be made. In this instance the feral cats are vermin, much like the rats they are claimed to control and as such need to be eradicated.

2) You are the one that suggested we kill humans: "If we are going to kill species that are destructive to the environment, I think we should start with number one - humans." Although some of our practices have been destructive to the environment I don't see that as conducive to the evolutionary perpetuation of our species.

3) I respect your right to reject Judaeo-Christian beliefs. But then by what definition of sacred do you hold all life to be?

4) I hold all life to be sacred but accept our responsibility to manage it, especially where our meddling has already upset the natural balance.

5) I do eat meat (especially now that I'm doing Atkins) but as far as I know I haven't eaten cat, but ya never know as I love Chinese.

6) In this thread my "love of guns" is irrelevant other than as one possible method of infestation eradication. It was my attempt at humor led to that minor posting in the thread. I'm fully aware a more politically acceptable method would be chosen, and I'm fine with that.

7) I don't know if I'm an evolutionary step backward, probably. I recognize that my father was a better man that I.

8) Big cats can be the pinnacle predator in an ecosystem, so absent humans they could be dominant, who knows.

9) I was required to wear a cowboy hat for many years, although compliance was often an issue. However, I'm no cowboy, I don't ride a horse and I know little about cows, other than that I usually prefer medium rare.

10) I try to be a "real man" but I accept that I fall far short. I have many shortcomings in that regard.

I suppose I should edit to add that I like cats as pets. I've had a (as in one at a time) pet cat most of my life. I don't have one now as Jessica passed away last year.

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#40
PETA:
"What creature was using that fur before YOU put it on?"

Me: "My late mother in law, Darlene"

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