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There are going to be the people that step up and do the month to month work of the board for whatever motivation, and whatever effectiveness.
There are going to be the people that come out once a year or so and complain about how things are going.
There are going to be the apathetic majority that do nothing.
Pick a group.
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Originally posted by Frank
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Originally posted by hppmary
The HPPOA President did not conduct the election.
This is an untrue story started by other board members.
the facts show the current president was running for re-election to the board and called most if not all of the shots in the election process...ethics, recuseing one self from the ENTIRE process, is the only acceptable action for a candidate in an election...conflict of interest rears its ugly head!
"facts"?? What facts? You have shown no facts. Only rumors.
FACT: The President was not on the nominating committee, as were other HPPOA members.
FACT: The President did not engage the League of Women Voters.
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Originally posted by Greg
There are going to be the people that step up and do the month to month work of the board for whatever motivation, and whatever effectiveness.
There are going to be the people that come out once a year or so and complain about how things are going.
There are going to be the apathetic majority that do nothing.
Pick a group.
You missed a group - I complain all year.
Are you done now?
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Are you going to do more than complain? How's that working out for you?
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Empty complaints are the national pastime.
Counterexample: lots of people "from the community" came together to create the PCDP; this "plan" was given the "force of law" 5 years ago, has it made any difference?
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It's working out great, Greg, I can't complain.
And now that you know my position...
What sub do you live in?
Please detail for us exactly what you are doing for your community. I'm certain it's awesome work, and I'm hoping for the opportunity to applaud you, for the rest of this thread.
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Originally posted by Greg
I vote in every election; National, State, County, and neighborhood.
I voted too; it didn't help.
New project: starve the government of funds (to the extent legally possible).
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Originally posted by kalakoa
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Originally posted by Greg
I vote in every election; National, State, County, and neighborhood.
I voted too; it didn't help.
New project: starve the government of funds (to the extent legally possible).
excellent point! do not pay road maintenance dues in hpp...forclose on 3000 home owners... may be a plan..
This thread is an interesting read.
Sounds like most of the posters live in HPP. In our Sub-d, some say, "We should be LIKE HPP!".
Others say,
"Do we really want to be like HPP?".
What's worse, having a road maintenance program and full-time employees to take care of the day-to-day chores of maintaining the sub-division OR, not having anything, driving around 4' wide potholes and deep, flooded lakes, depending 100% on volunteer labor to get things done.
What's worse, better than 90% compliance in fees/dues payment OR, compliance at barely 60%. Couple this with the fact that people still complain about fees being "too high" when it's still less than HALF of HPP's fees. Having a "road crew" at all is still a dream out here.
Go ahead, complain. The more heated the better. At least you are engaged.
Go ahead, get involved and try to effect change for the better. At the very least you'll educate yourself about the issues.
What I can't stand is apathy. Lukewarm people who just can't take a stand or are too lazy or ignorant to do either.
Maybe all this energy should be directed at making the county/state culpable for this mess. They force us to make our roads "public", therefore the public should take care of the roads. No more fighting. Our fuel and property taxes will be going to where they should be, for everyone's benefit, not just Hilo.
Fighting amongst ourselves is exactly what the county and state wants us to do.
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Originally posted by 4dognight
What's worse, having a road maintenance program and full-time employees to take care of the day-to-day chores of maintaining the sub-division OR, not having anything, driving around 4' wide potholes and deep, flooded lakes, depending 100% on volunteer labor to get things done.
Define "worse"? Things seem to be working just fine in my subdivision despite "not having anything"; instead of a "maintanance program/full-time employees", everyone takes personal responsibility -- I find it much preferable to paying mandatory road fees that aren't actually used to maintain anything.
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Originally posted by 4dognight
Maybe all this energy should be directed at making the county/state culpable for this mess. They force us to make our roads "public", therefore the public should take care of the roads. No more fighting. Our fuel and property taxes will be going to where they should be, for everyone's benefit, not just Hilo.
Fighting amongst ourselves is exactly what the county and state wants us to do.
This is 110% correct -- somewhere, the County/State people are overjoyed that HPP can't see past its dysfunctional politics, because the sideshow is keeping everyone distracted while they continue to play "that road isn't a Road (but we do need a tax increase for maintenance)".
As I've said, while these issues are portrayed as "internal to HPP", a precedent will be set on the outcome. If the State DoH can "force" HPP residents to pave their entire "private" road network AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE, rest assured that all other subdivisions will be forced to follow.
I dare say it's time for a "Puna Road Coalition" which unites ALL "private" subdivisions into the shared goal of forcing County to fish-or-cut-bait.
