Subdivision Covenants

[LastTangoInPuna]

Rob, Derrick,

The additional bedrooms do not even have to be attached with a roof. So as long as there is no stove you are ok. If there is an additional sink outside the bathroom, it should be listed as a "bar sink" on the plans.

[kalakoa]

There is a provision that everything connected by a contiguous wall (six feet high?) is considered a single structure; there is at least one two-family shared house (on Ag-zoned land) designed around this "feature". I believe it was built by Carlson Homes.

[Kapohocat]

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Originally posted by james weatherford

While you are talking to the County Planning Department, you might inquire about yurts -- and ask, "are they permittable?"

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Yurts are permittable with the proper foundation. I think Yurt Girl, and Daniel Bona are both well versed on the yurt foundation required.

[KeaauRich]

I seem to recall that two separate buildings can be considered one dwelling if they are connected by a covered walkway whose roof attaches to both buildings. Don't quote me on that though - check with the Planning Department.

I'd recommend that rather than trying to game the system, try to find adjoining lots and build one legal dwelling on both. This will give you the separation from neighbors you like, additional acreage to grow and raise animals, improve your ability to rent the second dwelling as a vacation rental or long term rental (since it will have a kitchen), etc.

[Derrick Barnicoat]

Thanks for all the excellent info!

This really helps me think about the possibilities. I will be out there physically looking sometime in the near future. I have family out there so I do get to visit once a year.

What I am thinking now is I should just keep an eye out for land in the areas that are outside of CC&Rs because it seems like these areas with CC&Rs may not be my style as beautiful as many of them are and in the words of KeaauRich I am not looking to "game the system". I just want to do something more alternative to the norm and not have to get too much flack about it.

I am really liking the character of Hawaiian Acres just by looking at the website and other interweb literature and videos but I don't know the area too well. The people seem to be laid back and eccentric in a charming and friendly way. I plan to check it out on my next visit. I guess you never know until you experience it in person.

Or if you all know of any land in Leilani Estates that is outside of the jurisdiction of covenants and restrictions let me know. I would love to have a look it seems like a lovely area.

[Derrick Barnicoat]

Or if there are any parts of Nanawale outside of CC&Rs

[kalakoa]

Nanavale Farm Lots are adjacent to, but not part of, Nanavale Estates.

[kimo wires]

There are lots of Long term and vacation rentals on Ag land. And they are advertised on VRBO and airb&b. I never hear of anyone being fined for these.

[Kapohocat]

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Originally posted by KeaauRich

I seem to recall that two separate buildings can be considered one dwelling if they are connected by a covered walkway whose roof attaches to both buildings. Don't quote me on that though - check with the Planning Department....

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If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

There are many things you can have - guest cottage with no kitchen less than 500 ft in size (inc lanai) less than 50 ft from house that are allowed. The separate dwelling that looks like a second dwelling even with a connected walkway are pretty iffy. But call plan dept - they really will give you good info ... before you jump in and get in trouble.

[kalakoa]

An ohana is only permitted in hard R zoning -- any zoning which permits additional structures will also prohibit the ohana.

A structure that is over six feet high is considered a building, somehow; I can't find a specific cite, but the magic six-foot figure leaves footprints all over Chapter 25. It may be part of the completely unreadable building code, which apparently incorporates the UBC in its entirety, then carves out a zillion little exceptions, stuff like "glass jalousie windows are considered a fire escape" -- I'll be sure to remember that during my inspection.