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#31
Carl Sagan..... would have done well in Puna - an early cannabis advocate before it was popular - took a great personal and professional risk to share his views - he did walk the walk some good reading:

http://azarius.net/news/306/Carl_Sagans_..._cannabis/

his views on exploration and expansion may not have been so accurate - The early Hawaiians didnt seem to get a fair shake - had to steal (and use) a cannon before anyone would pay attention - grin
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#32
chem trails - I think there is a problem with the number of aircraft and the amount of time it would take to fly a grid the size of a major continent. 48 hrs not enough time

DARPA however may be a whole other can of worms when it comes to tinkering with the upper levels of the atmosphere
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#33
"Science cannot be good or bad, it's just science. Every product of science isn't automatically good either. DDT? Depleted Uranium? Silicon Breast implants? Butane Honey oil extraction? There's always room for debate, and branding someone as "anti science" because they disagree is disingenuous........"

What do DDT and breast implants have to do with an anti-GMO law? Who is talking about automatic good, whatever that is? Science goes where observations and experimentation takes it. In the case of GMO's the science is clear that no food safety issue has been discovered. Disagreement with this large body of evidence is simply ideological, not fact based and goes beyond simple debate. Much like some people's disagreement with the reality of evolution or climate change. Or taking testimony from a yogic flyer as substantial evidence. For our county council to pass this anti-GMO law was both a waste of time and effort and likely destructive of future benefit to the Big Island. For a large number of people to think this is a good thing is scary.
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#34
Little Known NASA Documents Reveal Mission of Military and Federal Agencies to Modify the Climate
It’s unacceptable that the UN/IPCC continue to push CO2 as the cause for climate change but refuse to acknowledge the military has been actively engaged in Climate Warming Weapons Technologies for more than 20 years.
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=2138121#i
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#35
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Originally posted by snorkle

Here we go again; Peteadams brands people against GMO as being anti science. Does being against Thalidomide (developed by scientists)make a person "anti science"?

Science cannot be good or bad, it's just science. Every product of science isn't automatically good either. DDT? Depleted Uranium? Silicon Breast implants? Butane Honey oil extraction? There's always room for debate, and branding someone as "anti science" because they disagree is disingenuous........
You don't seem to understand the difference between science and technology.
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#36
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You don't seem to understand the difference between science and technology.


Science and technology are mostly irrelevant in a world run by lawyers and salespeople.

Example 1: assume GMO is a 100% safe technology. Does that make it okay for profit-driven multinationals to own the patents on all our staple food crops?

Example 2: butane honey oil extraction is actually safe and effective -- when practiced by professionals with the right equipment. It's only "dangerous" because the current legal situation drives it underground, with unskilled operators and homebrew rigs.

Example 3: many USians don't believe in "global warming" because their winters are getting colder than then have in decades. If the scientists had better marketing, they would have branded it [/b]climate change[/b]... because nobody really listens to scientists if they can avoid it.

But yeah, chemtrails or whatever. Nothing to see here, move along.
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#37

"It is in scientific honesty that I endorse the presentation of alternative theories for the origin of the universe, life and man in the science classroom. It would be an error to overlook the possibility that the universe was planned rather than happening by chance."
— Wernher von Braun

I have learned to use the word 'impossible' with the greatest caution.
-Wernher von Braun-
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#38
How come I'm not surprised you quote Wernher Von Braun
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#39
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Originally posted by jackson

How come I'm not surprised you quote Wernher Von Braun


Yo! LOOK! WVB became an American hero [urlhttp://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/exopolitics_vonbraun02.htm][/url]

Explorer I was launched at 10:48 PM EST, January 31, 1958 - from Pad 26A, at Cape Canaveral.

The Jupiter-C rocket (C standing for "composite") that successfully launched this first US satellite into the Florida skies (below), was actually a converted "Redstone" military ICBM - a rocket developed as a US Army advancement over their earlier "V-2s," by Wernher von Braun and his imported team of "Operation Paperclip" German Nazi rocket engineers to the United States, in the decade immediately following World War II.

Punatics check it out! http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2139075#i
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#40
Vonce ze rockets are up, who cares where zey come down?
Zat's not my department.
-Werner von Braun
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