When, not If lava crosses 130...

[Obie]

Green lake isn't drying out either.I was there just a few weeks ago.

[Guest]

Pahoated, I have to agree with a lot of what you are writing. Maybe we have been getting the warning signs for some time now?. One of the biggest reasons I am against GEOTHERMAL or at least more of it, Its because of the cry wolf effects. Growing up here like I have my mother and father use to teach me to never turn my back on the ocean for rouge waves happen here in Puna. They use to teach me to trust my instincts when it came to Maddom Pele, If you start smelling sulfur or more gasses well an eruption may be imminent?. Or when you start feeling more earthquakes than normal well an eruption may be imminent?. That's not how I feel now because if I smell sulfur, which I have been lately well it's probably Geothermal letting off a little steam?. If I feel an earthquake I tend to think it is just Geothermal Drilling again. We live on an active volcano with not many ways out and now I feel like my instincts cant be trusted either. P.S. Your green lake theory is intriguing as well, are you sure this lake has been drying out?. If so maybe it's from the drought of 4 years or the extra G.M.O. fields around could cause this?. I have hiked all through this area recently trying to find the cause of the Ohia die-back, I have noticed places that smelled of sulfur, very strong sometimes. Sanfords cinder area up on the highway (15 mileM) as well as by the large water tank near Pahoa on the highway(11 MileM) have been stinking recently and all the Ohia are dead or dying in between. A few years back we had a lady fall into a hole in her back yard I believe in HPP, She said while she was trapped she could feel the heat from underneath, makes me think. Thank you Pahoated for your time and informative posts.

[Obie]

You folks are all overlooking the larger hazard of Mauna Loa !

"The volcano also has the capability to pump out a lot more lava than Kilauea, Trusdell said. Kilauea erupts 0.2 to 0.5 million cubic meters each day while Mauna Loa puts out 12 million cubic meters per day.

“What Kilauea puts out in one day, in Mauna Loa’s last eruption in 1984, Mauna Loa erupted in 20 minutes,” Trusdell said."

"Nevertheless, while Mauna Loa may not appear as though it’s ready to erupt today, Trusdell stressed the importance of being prepared because time can be limited depending on where you live. According to data presented by Trusdell, scientists estimate, depending on the location of the actual eruption on Mauna Loa, it would take the lava about 29 hours to reach the shoreline below the Hawaiian Ocean View Estates subdivision of Ka‘u, as little as three hours to reach the South Kona shoreline, eight days to reach Kiholo Bay and some 280 days to reach Hilo Bay. "

[Obie]

Gypsy69

That lady fell into a cesspool !!

[Chunkster]

Obie is right. It was a cesspool in HPP that was no longer in use.

[Guest]

Those responses have made me laugh, feel stupid and fall out of my chair. Thank you guys, I think the news paper article may have left that part out. My bad, can anyone find that article from about 3-5 years ago?. Funny stuff, not for her though.

[ericlp]

Hmmm... Well, personally I find it a bit eerie while driving past around Ainaloa on 130 you can smell the forest burning. The lava is obviously advancing. But it's not just advancing but pushing into new territories where it hasn't been for awhile.

Hopefully, since it's not advancing at an "alarming" rate, someone will let us all know to give a few months of a time window to start packing up. Hopefully that happens before you start feeling the heat while driving down 130!

Nice posts Ted, I agree with you. Could be the reason why Ohia's are dying. Old steam vents under the ground are starting to ratchet up again.

As far as what volcano puts out more lava is irrelevant especially when the lava is coming into your back yard. Just remember Kilauea is expected to be around 13000 feet and be just as massive or not more massive than Mauna loa. That's a lot of Lava! The next half million or so years ought be interesting.

Edit: Here is the latest map if anyone is interested.

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/maps/uploads/image-75.jpg 1/9/14

[Carey]

Gypsy, here is the Punaweb thread from 2011 that deals with Daisys fall into the cesspool (was initially reported as a lava tube opening up, then corrected):
http://punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11884

[Delta9r]

I've been unable to locate the news article, but there was a lady in Puna (Nanawale? Not sure.) who was found dead in a crack in her backyard where she apparently was trying to rescue a puppy and got stuck.
Not sure how many years ago this was, maybe 10 or so years?

That said, if/when lava blocks Kea'au - Pahoa road, my choice of upper Puna will have proven to have been a good choice.
However, how many here remember the Mauna Ulu eruptions of the early 1970's?
The summit eruptions of Mauna Loa?
I saw them all, and my thinking is that an eruption from anywhere along the East Rift Zone, mauka of Pu'u O'o, could happen at any time.
Napau would be the worst case scenario for Fern Forest on down the hill, Mauna Loa could take out Hilo, or North Kona hotels and beaches, and the idea that since one vent has been erupting continuously for 30 + years this precludes an outbreak elswhere is an idea which is not based on actual science, nor is such an idea based on historical fact.

After all, it's the same tectonic hot-spot that feeds all of our volcanoes. Hualalai is also not extinct, and Haleakala has erupted in relatively recent historic times, so who knows?

http://www.nps.gov/havo/faqs.htm

"Life is labor, and all that is good in life comes from that labor..."

[VancouverIslander]

Recent aerial photo:

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/multimedia/upload...le-580.jpg