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Originally posted by rbrgs

Was I not clear. DWARF APPLE BANANAS ARE A GMO.

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Do you have anything to verify that claim that you can cite here?

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[Guest]

Stop.

Seedless Watermelons are also GMO I believe.

Thats not the point, there is a difference between GMOs.

There are foods that have been genetically spliced and modified to have different features, than there is GMOs that have poisons built in and/ GMOs that are pesticide ridden.

Apples and oranges here.

No pun intended.

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Okay... hold up there. GMO is a term thrown around very loosely by GMO proponents and it's done to confuse/cloud the issue.
Natural breeding that incorporates genetic sciences to track and guide the breeding process is not a genetically modified organism. They are two very different things. When it comes to factual GMO work where genes are injected with anything, then the unintended variables take place. It makes no damn difference what is injected into the gene it will change the coding on several levels without any regard for the engineers intentions. Unintended alteration of the coding is present in EVERY TRUE GMO and that's one of the reasons for their hazardous traits. Read the link I provided previously regarding GMO myths and truths.

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Seedless watermelons are not GMO nor can I find that "DWARF APPLE BANANAS" are GMO.
I think the confusion is based on products that might use the genetic sciences to assist in the guidance of natural breeding process that are then losely being confused with actual GMO Engineering. They are two very different things.


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[ourdoc]

Does food labeling do any good the way the Corporations lie??

16 Most Misleading Food Labels: http://tinyurl.com/kmbha2z

The worst and most abused being "All natural"

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It would make them susceptible to violation of the laws and hold them accountable to litigation under such violations.

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[rbrgs]

I was going by the legal definition of GMO from bill 113; Santa Catarina bananas were bred with the aid of a mutagen. I was done in Brazil, and all the scientific papers are in Portuguese (and predate the internet). Take a look at the bananas Home Depot has for sale, then do a google search and see where they came from.....

[dldixon]

Just a few thoughts. I find it somewhat hypocritical that an anti-gmo bill would grandfather gmo corn and papaya since corn especially would be used has feed stock mainly for dairy. If your concern is health and gmo's getting into your food, you would include these too.

Also Senator Ruderman represents the poorest district in Hawaii, if he is concerned about his
constituents then why would he be for a bill that will increase food prices and decrease sustainability. The people he represents are not gonna buy the $10 a dozen organic eggs or $4 can of chili he sells. They are going to McDonalds dollar menu (thats why I don't buy the conflict of interest). Is that a better choice?

Finally here's my organic horror story. My wife and daughter love salads. I am not too crazy for them but I'm a weightlifter/bodybuilder so clean food is important. We bought organic lettuce from a local famers market. My wife and daughter consumed said lettuce and contracted Rat Lung. We cannot prove it came from the lettuce because by time we figured out what they had and where it came from the evidence was gone. Do you know how the doctors relieve the pressure this parasite causes in the brain? They have to do spinal taps and remove fluid every few hours.

This is why I fully endorse spraying crops here in Hawaii especially where bugs never seem to die and mold is the state flower. If you're so scared of gmo's, don't eat them. Non-gmo products are out there.

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rbrgs,
If they are mutagens then yes, they are GMO and just as questionable as other GMO products.

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From the GMO Myths and Truths
"1.3.3. Is mutation breeding widely used?
Mutation breeding is not a widely used or central part of crop breeding, though a few crop varieties have apparently benefited from it. A database maintained by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation and the International Atomic Energy Agency keeps track of plant varieties that have been generated using mutation breeding and by cross-breeding with a mutant plant.6 There are only around 3,000 such plant varieties. This number includes not only crop plants but also
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ornamental plants.9 It also includes not only the direct mutant varieties, but also varieties bred by crossing the mutants with other varieties by conventional breeding. Thus the actual number of primary mutant varieties is significantly lower than 3000.
Some commercially important traits have come out of mutation breeding, such as the semi-dwarf trait in rice, the high oleic acid trait in sunflower, the semi-dwarf trait in barley, and the low-linolenic acid trait in canola (oilseed rape).9,10,11
But conventional breeding, in contrast, has produced millions of crop varieties. The Svalbard seed vault in the Arctic contains over 400,000 seed varieties,12 which are estimated to represent less than one-third of our most important crop varieties.13 So relatively speaking, mutation breeding is of only marginal importance in crop development.
The reason mutation breeding is not more widely used is that the process of mutagenesis is risky, unpredictable, and does not efficiently generate beneficial mutations. Studies on fruit flies suggest that about 70% of mutations will have damaging effects on the functioning of the organism, and the remainder will be either neutral or weakly beneficial.14
Because of the primarily harmful effects of mutagenesis, the genetic code is structured to minimize the impacts of mutations and organisms have DNA repair mechanisms to repair mutations. In addition, regulatory agencies around the world are supposed to minimise or eliminate exposure to manmade mutagens.
In plants as well as fruit flies, mutagenesis is a destructive process. As one textbook on plant breeding states, “Invariably, the mutagen kills some cells outright while surviving plants display a wide range of deformities.”15 Experts conclude that most such induced mutations are harmful, and lead to unhealthy and/or infertile plants.15,16 Occasionally, mutagenesis gives rise to a previously unknown feature that may be beneficial and can be exploited.
The process of screening out undesirable traits and identifying desirable ones for further breeding has been likened to “finding a needle in a haystack”.15 The problem is that only certain types of mutations, such as those affecting shape or colour, are obvious to the eye. These plants can easily be discarded or kept for further breeding as desired. But other more subtle changes may not be obvious, yet may nonetheless have important impacts on the health or performance of the plant. Such changes can only be identified by expensive and painstaking testing.15
A report by the UK government’s GM Science Review Panel concluded that mutation breeding “involves the production of unpredictable and undirected genetic changes and many thousands, even millions, of undesirable plants are discarded in order to identify plants with suitable qualities for further breeding.”17
In retrospect, it is fortunate that mutation breeding has not been widely used because that has reduced the likelihood that this risky technology could have generated crop varieties that are toxic, allergenic, or reduced in nutritional value."

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