Woman's body found off Kalapana

[kapohololo]

maybe buy one composition notebook..... spray it with water outside n let it dry up and see ????

[anony_mouse]

Handwriting Analysis.

I think the topic of "hand-writing" analysis should be addressed concerning this case, as it is being used as the only evidence to indicate that Boaz Johnson committed suicide.

Foremost, hand-writing analysis is considered a circumstantial piece of evidence, at best. Judiciary officials state that hand-writing analysis is a "subjective" form of "evidence", and it cannot standalone as proof of suicide or murder.

In many past cases, courts have completely denied hand-writing analysis to be used as evidence period. It's considered by most to be even less reliable than polygraph tests, which are also considered a subjective form of evidence. Simply put, some judges allow it, some won't, and always depending on the scrutiny and court assessment of the analyst.

According to Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, Inc., 509 U.S. 579, 125 L.Ed.2d 469, 113 S.Ct. 2786 (1993), the Supreme Court ruled that the expert used to analyze the hand-writing must go through a preliminary hearing for the courts to determine the expertise of the analyst. This is a two-step process to determine whether the experts analysis is based on scientific or specialized knowledge.

Were any of these assessments done in concern to submitting evidence pertaining to the courts determination that it was Boaz Johnson's hand-writing?

Furthermore, in a majority of cases involving hand-writing analysis, most courts have ruled:

"While there is still some conflicting case law, it appears that the better reasoned cases hold that witnesses may discuss similarities and differences in writing, but they may not state an ultimate conclusion regarding the identity of the author. These cases argue that, while the "science" of handwriting analysis is sufficiently well-founded to identify subtle differences and similarities for a trier of fact, there is no firm evidence that an analyst can make definitive statements about identity. For this reason, the cases argue, ultimate conclusions regarding authorship do not satisfy the requirements of Rule 702"

There have been high-level murder cases where forensic hand-writing analysis was completely wrong in the investigation of a murderer (Jon Benet Ramsey), and even more court cases where two different hand-writing analysts arrive at disagreeing or contradictive conclusions. As stated by the Supreme Court, it is a very subjective piece of evidence.


Was the analyst that determined the notebook was written by Boaz Johnson ever given a preliminary hearing or judiciary assessment to determine his expertise, credentials, and overall analysis involving the handwriting? If not, it stands as an unverified piece of subjective evidence being used as the sole evidence that Boaz committed suicide. If that's the case, this most certainly would not hold up in the legal system of the United States.

In addition to hand-writing analysis being considered subjective evidence, we have to remind ourselves that this notebook endured 20+ inches of rain, constant wind, and biological (insects, rats, natural rot, mildew/mold) degradation. and thus makes it even more difficult for a hand-writing analysis to be used as a very conclusive piece of evidence. Consider that even PERFECT pieces of hand-written evidence is still sketchy when it comes to subjectivity in the court of law, much less one that has been subject to Kalapana weather.

[snorkle]

Is there any evidence that he was murdered?

[Adam-I-Am]

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Originally posted by snorkle

Is there any evidence that he was murdered?

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It's all a little strange. If there WERE evidence, would Bo have been declared the murderer? The only thing that will settle this whole matter for me is some explanation for the notebooks readability after all these months in the jungle and a thorough independent examination of the notebook -- by someone that Bo's family OKs.

[anony_mouse]

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Originally posted by snorkle

Is there any evidence that he was murdered?

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Not exactly sure, but there is reason to speculate it as a possibility.

Go back half a decade ago and ask that very same question to Puna citizens the week after police ruled Dawn Gambsky committed suicide, and you would have heard the exact same reply from many citizens of Puna.

[snorkle]

The key word is speculate.

And; Why do you keep saying the police ruled Gambsky's death a suicide?

From the Star-Advertiser (Aug 14, 2008)
" But police are not calling this a murder just yet, have classified the case as a coroner's inquest and are awaiting further information from the coroner.
"There are suspicious circumstances," said Detective Rio Amon-Wilkins, who is investigating the case.

edit; According to news articles, the police didn't rule her death a suicide, her husband said that. The police waited until they had real evidence.

[phbratton]

Anony Mouse is correct that handwriting analysis evidence is viewed with a certain degree of suspicion in many courts. Therefore identification of handwriting as coming from a particular person can be difficult even with well preserved samples.If this sample was exposed to the elements for seven months, the confidence in an accurate identification would be considerably less.

[MiloliiSect]

I keep seeing the reference to the Gambsky investigation come up here. How is that case relevant to this case?

I don't believe that investigation has been ruled a suicide as Alexander Gambsky's trial has not taken place yet, it is set to happen this year as he is currently in custody awaiting trial. As far as where the information of a suicide came from, it was information shared with police during their investigation by Mr. Gambsky's then girlfriend.

http://westhawaiitoday.com/sections/news...-wife.html

[snorkle]

Please answer my question;
Is there any evidence that Bo was murdered?

[MiloliiSect]

Handwriting analysis and forensic document examination are while similar in that they may involve hand written word, they are two separate fields. Forensic document examiner is what is referenced in the press release not a hand writing analysis.

http://www.bigislandchronicle.com/2014/0...g-himself/

Is graphology the same as forensic document examination?

Graphology or graphoanalysis attempts to predict character traits from handwriting examination. Forensic document examination involves the analysis and comparison of questioned documents with known material in order to identify, whenever possible, the author or origin of the questioned document. Some graphologists call themselves handwriting analysts or document examiners and are therefore confused with FDEs.

In U.S. v. Bourgeois 950 F 2d 980 (5th Cir. 1992), the court rejected the testimony of a proffered handwriting examiner, in part, because his training was completed through a correspondence school and strongly emphasized graphoanalysis. But it also pointed out that the witness was not certified by the ABFDE.

http://www.abfde.org/fde.htm

While we the public may not know exactly what all of the contents that were recovered from the tent when the search warrant was conducted on May 30, 2013, it could be reasonable that both hand writing samples such as mail correspondence, journals, supply/shopping lists, ect. from both Brittany and Bo may have been recovered, that could later be used for comparison.