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lanais and taxation
#1
I have a set of questions about what triggers changes in tax assessments when you screen in a lanai or other outdoor living space. Please, please, please do not derail this thread into a discussion about the relative merits of our system of property taxes, value or lack thereof of building codes or any other side tangents. I am looking for knowledgeable answers to my questions so I can make decisions intelligently. I would just call the county but they don't answer their phones and I can't take a call back at work during business hours.

Questions:
At what point does screening in a covered lanai change how it is assessed, as indoor or outdoor space?

My understanding has been that space lower than 5 or 6 feet tall isn't assessed at all, that taller space with no slab floor is assessed at a low rate, with a floor at a higher rate, and that if you enclose it with screens and put in partial walls the screens must be more than 50% of the wall or it is taxed as inside space. I learned most of this several years ago from a friend who is usually correct, but is sometimes really off base so I was wondering if this is correct?

We have a situation with a space under the house that includes a bedroom, bathroom and laundry room that are all finished and taxed as finished indoor space. There is a larger area that is L shaped wrapping around those rooms that I would like to screen in and use as an additional living room. Along the front of the house I would like to create privacy by having 2 feet of screen at the top and bottom and four feet of solid wall in the middle, that way we would still have good air flow but not have the neighbors looking into our outdoor living area.

In addition to my question above, the things I was wondering were:
Will I need a permit to do this?
Will it increase my property taxes? The guy who assesses our street drives by and checks the houses out every year, complete with photos of the outside, so they would notice within a tax year.
If it does increase the taxes what will the space be taxed as?
Can anyone recommend someone to make removable screens and wheelchair friendly sliding screen doors (no raised sill)?
Can anyone recommend someone to do the carpentry for this?

Mahalo for all answers to my actual questions!

Carol
Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
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#2
Man, I thought this was familiar:
http://www.punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13227

Carol, I have found that every time I ask a question to the building dept. they request a stamped drawing to be submitted.... which makes asking a question like "is this OK" not very useful with them...

Since it seems that in 2011 most of those answering your question were fairly sure a permit would probably be requested by BD, I would speculate that the Tax Dept Sketch could be updated (some of our neighbors additions have been, others have not been...) When the Tax Dept sketch is updated, the taxes do go up...

You still may want to look at temp walls & the Garage screens - that might be the least costly & hassles of any other options... but I can understand wanting to do this as a permanent addition...

Most likely you may have the best answers by just checking in with a licensed architect (or draftsman). A GOOD one should have not only an idea of all of the costs, but will know if permits are needed & the tax implications...

ADDED: Have also seen many screened lanais that do not have a wall for privacy, but things like lattice panels, railings & such with screening attached (and lighter color & the thicker pet screening also obscure the view in more. There are even laser cut aluminum security panels that allow air flow & view out, but obscure any view in... with all of these I have no idea of the tax implications...
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#3
5-1.0.16 table 3-A "building permit fees" sets a rate for "carport, garages, porches, patios or lanais" which is lower than the rate for "dwellings".

5-2.3.1 defines "Gross Floor Area" as sum of the floor areas of spaces within the building including basements, mezzanine and intermediate-floored tiers, and penthouses of headroom height 7.5 feet or greater.

The "change of occupancy" issues are well-defined for commercial property, but for residential there isn't even a clear definition of "lanai".
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Originally posted by kalakoa
The "change of occupancy" issues are well-defined for commercial property, but for residential there isn't even a clear definition of "lanai".



Maybe instead of Bldg Dept, call RPT and ask them directly what it is taxed at? and How they consider it?
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#5
any change in value - brings with it a change in taxes - lets say one were to add a pool - not an increase in living space - yet it will be reflected on the value of the property
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#6
My work schedule makes it impossible to do phone business with either Hawaii County building or property tax departments, because I always get a voice mail box asking for a number to call back. I can't exactly take a call back in the middle of teaching a class full of middle school students. Just another sample of our "responsive" county government at work.

Carol
Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb
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#7
Hi, I received a good response to an e-mail to the property division last year. It was helpful and personable.
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