Maui GMO protest

[Mendo]

This concern is hilarious! It shows desperation and willing suspension of disbelief. There is about 1,000 GMO/Monsanto dollars spent in PR & political influence for every one dollar spent by all non-GMO groups combined. See FDA food policy chief Michael Taylor, US Congress contributions, & Clift Tsuji for a wide range of examples.

[pahoated]

Follow up review. This SHAKA "grass roots" anti-GMO effort was paying people to sign the anti-GMO petition. Here is the result:

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http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=260390441
52% of petition signatures in anti-GMO effort rejected
May 23, 2014

The Maui County clerk has rejected more than half of the 9,768 signatures on an initiative petition submitted by the SHAKA Movement seeking a moratorium on genetically modified crops.

"We have determined that 4,720 registered voters in the County of Maui have signed the petition while 5,048 signatures have been deemed invalid," County Clerk Danny Mateo said in a news release

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The fact another one of these crackpot fringe groups was paying to manipulate the Maui legislative process isn't the most offensive aspect of this debacle. It is this continued practice of allowing people that don't live here to meddle with local politics. This continuing effort of mainland haole trying to manipulate these islands and people is truly a curse on Hawaii.

"This island Hawaii on this island Earth"

[Delta9r]

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Originally posted by pahoated

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It is this continued practice of allowing people that don't live here to meddle with local politics. This continuing effort of mainland haole trying to manipulate these islands and people is truly a curse on Hawaii.

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That's funny, even the pro GMO corporate shill Jon Entine's site says that it is a Maui resident who's supplying the payola.

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http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/20...s-in-maui/

"... an anonymous woman from Maui is backing the $5-per-signature campaign..."

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You know what's really a "curse on Hawaii?"
Mainland megacorps shoving their distasteful business practices down our collective throats.

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http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2014/0...n-streams/

"Community concerns have grown so much that last year, Kauai passed a law that in part requires biotech companies to disclose details of their pesticide use and abide by buffer zones near roads, schools and other areas. The law, which is set to go into effect in August, is currently being challenged by Sygenta and other seed companies."

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Can you say "Atrazine" found in Hawai'i surface water?
(you know, Atrazine, the big money maker for Jon Entine's favored corporate entity, Syngenta)

Now these f-ing transplants are trying to tell us that since the levels detected are "miniscule" that we should rejoice?

ANY amount of foreign chemical pollution in our hydrosphere is unacceptable!

"Life is labor, and all that is good in life comes from that labor..."

[pahoated]

Did you even bother reading beyond the headline? Don't bother answering, the question is rhetorical because it is obvious you didn't.

The levels were all far below hazardous levels. Guess what, the highest concentrations weren't from farm areas. The highest level pesticide found was guess what? For termites. Doh, where do we live? And BTW, your attempt to fruitcake associate the testing with the mainland is an epic fail. The study was done by the Hawaii Dept. of Health.

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Hawaii Dept of Health Study Finds Low Levels of Pesticides in Streams

Despite growing public concern about pesticide use in Hawaii, a new study by the state Department of Health found very small amounts of pesticides in streams on Oahu, Kauai, Maui and the Big Island.

The study, which analyzed water from 24 streams, found that the areas with the greatest number of pesticides were not near large farms but rather in urban Oahu.

http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2014/0...n-streams/

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Also, this is so typical of the irrational anti-GMO zombies, to emotionally tie pesticides to GMO and this study provides scientific evidence that there is no correlation. What do the anti-GMO nuts have as evidence except for Mary Shelley writing Frankenstein? And Frankenstein was the doctor, he didn't use GMO for his reanimated cadaver monster, so stop using the cutesy contraction franken-food.

"This island Hawaii on this island Earth"

[justthefacts]

i want the "right " to make my own choices of what i want to eat,and how much i want to eat. i respect the fact that some people want organic food as well as non -GMO . my point is no one group of people should decide for everyone.

[Delta9r]

@ pahoated

Your inferences lack objectivity.

That individuals such as yourself find "very small amounts" of chemical pollution in our once pristine waters to be acceptable only serves to highlight your own lack of understanding regarding this issue.
Our waters were once sweet, and as a child I used to drink right from the streams in my area, as well as the springs at Hapuna, Waipi'o, Waimanu, and Waihu.
These areas were away from the plantations and the subsequent pollution attributed to the chemicals applied to crops since before I was born.

The streams used to be untainted by chemicals.
Now you're trying to denigrate me for pointing out the facts at hand, which is not that we should be thankful for the "very small amounts of pesticides" in our waters, the facts are that chemicals are polluting our waters! This is completely unacceptable!

GMO != chemical pollution

Nowhere did I equate chemical pollution with GMO development here, so perhaps your comprehensive abilities are as lacking as you claim mine are?
Nowhere did I try to associate any alleged testing (straw-man much?) with mainland ventures, my claim is that "mainland megacorps" are attempting to affect legislation here which would be unwelcoming to their business agenda - in direct comparison to your assertion that "mainland haole trying to manipulate these islands and people is truly a curse on Hawaii."

You should check your own words before you go and accuse someone else of using your own tactics.

"Life is labor, and all that is good in life comes from that labor..."

[leilanidude]

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GMO != chemical pollution

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I have to take issue with this "statement" from you, Delta9R.

Is it not only possible, but probable that there are people growing with GMO seeds that do not use any pesticides or non-organic fertilizers?

Of course.

Similarly, are there not farmers using non-GMO organic seeds that do utilize pesticides and manufactured fertilizers.

Of course.

[Mendo]

Leilanidude asks "Is it not only possible, but probable that there are people growing with GMO seeds that do not use any pesticides?" It's a valid question, but the answer is 'No, there is no GMO food production, now or ever to date, w/o massive pesticide use.' It is not a coincidence that GMOs are made and marketed by chemical companies. GMOs in their current form are, in reality, a delivery system for patented poisonous chemicals, and little else.
Pahoated blames the problem on "continuing effort of mainland haole," displaying his own racism while adding only distractions and nothing of substance.

[Delta9r]

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Originally posted by leilanidude

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GMO != chemical pollution

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I have to take issue with this "statement" from you, Delta9R.

Is it not only possible, but probable that there are people growing with GMO seeds that do not use any pesticides or non-organic fertilizers?

Of course.

Similarly, are there not farmers using non-GMO organic seeds that do utilize pesticides and manufactured fertilizers.

Of course.

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You mistakenly apply the wrong attribute to the relational operator !=

Code:

Operator    Description
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==            Equal to
!=            Not equal to
<            Less than
>            Greater than
<=            Less than or equal to
>=            Greater than or equal to

Pardon my assumption that everyone knows the meaning of the "not equal to" operator.

"Life is labor, and all that is good in life comes from that labor..."

[Rob Tucker]

Well, thank you Delta9r.