05-18-2014, 09:19 AM
I think I've decided if I see one of you anti-cat people walk across my property three times, it's game on.
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05-18-2014, 10:47 AM
If cats decide to climb my fence and step onto my property, its game on where my dobermans are concerned.
05-18-2014, 10:57 AM
Despite the ordinances here that prohibit roaming, it is not the norm here to get bent out of shape about cats crossing property lines or even dogs. I don't like having strange dogs come around because I don't know if they might bite, but it's not something I would make an issue of to a local neighbor in my rural neighborhood.
There are numerous introduced species causing problems to our ecology, and feral cats are a problem. However, I read a good analysis recently on what could happen with the rodent population if the ferals and other cats weren't here. It also pointed out that rats are a bigger menace to bird populations than the cats, because they raid the nests. Cats here do not get to tree nests, but rats do. (Apologies that I am quoting something I read and didn't save the link, but I think these ideas make sense without quoting an authority.) My old neighbor, who was born here and is a good representative of the local customs around me, had accumulated more than a dozen cats that were sort of fed but weren't beloved pets, and when he moved he took his dog, but left the cats. OK, what he did sucked for those of us left behind, but he didn't feel bad about it, and it was just something my other neighbor and I accepted. She did trap some of them and take them to the HS after a fight with her cat gave her a major vet bill. She adopted one or two of them. (She was right next door. I was across the street.) It's just how life goes. There was no need to shoot or poison. The cats didn't ask to be born or abandoned, and it was sad. I do not understand people who want to kill animals because they leave a bit of buried fertilizer in the ground. I think some people here take their property lines and territory way too seriously. If human safety is at risk, that is serious. If you are raising livestock, it should be protected against predators. Poisoning is cruel, and all the more cruelty if you shatter the life of a human being by randomly killing his or her pet or family pet. Shooting beloved pets, just unbelievable to me. If in fact you do catch a pet killing your chicks, ask for compensation, but don't kill it. I do understand about dogs and sheep and how dogs get a taste, but that's another discussion. It is much easier to confine a dog, and dogs that attack should be confined. A dog can be confined to property without being shut inside, whereas a cat cannot. I find the whole "chick" argument ironic in a topic that started out as incidents on Kaua'i. Do you guys realize that Kaua'i is overrun by chickens and roosters? It's constantly in the paper that they need a solution. I realize that farming chickens is not the same as it is intentional, but it's still not the most winning argument to suggest that Kaua'i might have more chickens if more cats were murdered. [  ]
05-18-2014, 11:03 AM
quote:I won't argue with that. The cat should know better. A cat can understand a Doberman. A cat does not understand what a fence means. Show an animal that climbs by nature a fence, and it all it sees is something to climb and explore. Show a cat a predator that is a threat, and the cat is defective if it can't figure that out. I once had a beloved cat that was torn to pieces by two Samoyans. In that case, the dogs were to be leashed by court order, as they had already killed and attacked previously, but the teens of the family had let the dogs slip for a joke. I don't take the threat of dogs lightly after that trauma, but I respect that a dog in its own yard has a territory and Cat Beware of crossing it.
05-18-2014, 11:24 AM
It's irresponsible to talk about shooting or otherwise encouraging the killing of people's pets for innocuous offenses like transiting property, if not because you mean it, then because it might give others the idea that it's a trivial act. It's not. Cats and dogs are people's pets, and for a lot of people, pets are a part of their family. You go killing the family members of your neighbors, and then consider your future in that neighborhood...well, you do the math.
Yes, at times cats are killed by dogs and it's not the owner's fault, though it's been my experience as both a cat and dog owner that a dog's personality often reflects the owner's. Cats can also be killed by other people's cars (or your own!) and it's nobody's fault. Cats often lead dangerous lives, and often they come to bad ends. Again, even if you don't like cats (or dogs), that's only half the issue. Cats have owners who love them. Killing them is an indirect attack on the lives of human beings who own them. (Humans, you know, as in the most dangerous predator there is?) You got to ask yourself how many people in your close vicinity you want hating your guts.
05-18-2014, 11:39 AM
quote:So well put. MarkP, what if a neighbor kid stands out on the sidewalk in front of your Dad's house and does something that makes him apoplectic? It could be just as bad as a dog tipping a trash can. Does he get to go slap the kid? Or should he talk to his parents and work it out if he can't accept it and chill out? Annoyance -- something we all deal with from many sources in life. Killing "members" of a person's family because you're ticked off -- not acceptable. Pets are family members. Another's understanding of why or how that it is true is irrelevant to the truth of it. The family defines who is part of the family, not an outsider. People are not allowed to hurt kids or dogs or cats just because the people don't like them. I could be firmly convinced that kids are pests and the planet is over-populated, but that would give me no moral right to treat kids as pests by harming them. 
05-18-2014, 11:48 AM
"People are not allowed to hurt kids or dogs or cats just because the people don't like them."
Tell that to the school district. Dayna http://www.FarmingAloha.com www.E-Z-Caps.com
Dayna Robertson
At Home Hawaii Real Estate Sales and Property Management RS-85517 Dayna.JustListedInHawaii.com Dayna.Robertson@gmail.com
05-18-2014, 11:55 AM
My son is a responsible cat owner. It's neutered and stays inside the house. He, Apollo, makes a nice pet.
quote:The cats continuously crapping in my mother's garden caused her considerable distress. When she was younger and busier it probably wouldn't have been such a big deal but in her 80s, the garden was her one real pleasure. Continuously finding their crap was distressing to her and according to her their urine was killing her plants. Believable with cat pees high ammonia content. She is in an assisted living place now but when I think about it (thanks to this thread) I still feel guilt for not having "removed" those cats at the time. Yeah, I know, don't read the thread. Thanks, I think I'll take that advice. quote:And nuisance cats are a indirect attack on the lives of those who suffer due to them. I will show a neighbors pet some deference but that has limits. Oh, and cats (and dogs) are not people, I don't care how much you want to believe that. Yes, they can be loved but no they aren't human. Pua`a S. FL Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
S. FL Big Islander to be.
05-18-2014, 12:00 PM
quote: They are in a fully enclosed pen 125 feet wide by 1000 feet long.... So yeah, my chicks are in something. I find it interesting that if a cat comes into my yard, over my fence, and I see them kill my chicks, I'm supposed to pat this pet on the head and send it on it's way? Seriously? Are the pet owners going to replace my dinner with an exact same item? I raise meat for my family and if it's killed, how am I going to feed my family? Dayna http://www.FarmingAloha.com www.E-Z-Caps.com
Dayna Robertson
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