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I find it interesting that the person who took most offense at my requesting the HA posters to be a little more civil early in this whole mass influx of HA threads and posting, is now demanding that Rob do something about the incivility.
It would greatly improve the atmosphere here if everyone could just dial it back a little. However, that does require keeping one's ego in check and accepting the reality that not everyone will agree with you all the time, no matter how convinced you are that your position is the right one.
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Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
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All those big mouths who are opposed to fixing these horrible roads, go talk to a fireman or ambulance driver about this situation. We have huge numbers of people that have moved here over the last 15 years, some of which are going to need emergency help sometime. And when minutes can decide life or death.................... or someones child is in real danger and needs help, we will see how quickly this "dont touch my fkn road" attitude changes. What morons.
There needs to be good roads for emergency reasons period. Imagine needing to evacuate quickly for some unknown reason. The list goes on and on.
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And with that "don't touch my road" attitude, we better not do anything with our schools to accommodate more people coming here, better go protest Target and Walmart and any other big box store from coming in also. New fire and police station in Pahoa? For what? We don't need more of them. New lanes in Keaau to help congestion, ehhhh no need! Leave um! Let the fed up ones move away eventually right! LOL
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derrick, I am not asking for pavement, I am asking that the roads as they are, simply be maintained. that the money HARC collects be applied to maintaining the roads. that there is accountability of the funds , bills are sent out and money is taken in , that money is for "road repair". at the very least fill in the craters , the holes the axel breakers.
and oh yes meetings have been attended, accountability has been demanded. been there done that, the response from HARC board was swift . sit down shut up . and business as usual no repairs, no maintenance.
sell and move , reality who would even consider taking on enormous debt . it is cheaper to pay an attorney and make HARC accountable for the money they collect. or seek receivership of both boards thru the court.
Island living... spot on wait until one of the don't fix it needs an ambulance , I guarantee you they will be the very ones complaining the loudest and screaming lawyer.
carol, yes civility nice thought . but a few people have posted some horrible ignorant statements which were directed at myself , pathetic people . disturbed. like I said a while back those scarey people live in the subdivision.
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HA has not changed a bit in 25 years of me living here, if you expect to change it, I wish you luck,[  ] you never will, besides, if you all want change move to the city or somewhere else. I see who the real people are here, they are the people that are and have donated their time, money and energy to help with the roadsand we get along just fine, if you are new here STFU, if it is your place you will know in 20 years or until you accept it for what it is, keep the country, country. most of you make me sick! quit your bitching! most of us don't want to be encroached with a takeover of any kind from some do good asshole because he or she thinks it should be like where they came from. GO HOME this is not your place.
This is how it is here, and that is how it is. HACA has always had problems from the beginning so we take it in our own hands to contribute what we can.
Paying for vehicle repairs is a part of the deal when you make a choice to live here.
Oh, I'll bet you idiots can't hold your tongues and realize what it truly is
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Your donations are voluntary to HACA? save your money and fix your own road in front of your own property and your car? let's all be responsible for ourselves? why be a part of the problem? quote:
Originally posted by justthefacts
derrick, I am not asking for pavement, I am asking that the roads as they are, simply be maintained. that the money HARC collects be applied to maintaining the roads. that there is accountability of the funds , bills are sent out and money is taken in , that money is for "road repair". at the very least fill in the craters , the holes the axel breakers.
and oh yes meetings have been attended, accountability has been demanded. been there done that, the response from HARC board was swift . sit down shut up . and business as usual no repairs, no maintenance.
sell and move , reality who would even consider taking on enormous debt . it is cheaper to pay an attorney and make HARC accountable for the money they collect. or seek receivership of both boards thru the court.
Island living... spot on wait until one of the don't fix it needs an ambulance , I guarantee you they will be the very ones complaining the loudest and screaming lawyer.
carol, yes civility nice thought . but a few people have posted some horrible ignorant statements which were directed at myself , pathetic people . disturbed. like I said a while back those scarey people live in the subdivision.
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I have decided not to post again, so I would like to leave you with a couple of thoughts. When I first started posting here I knew very little about what was happening here. I had simply wondered into a meeting to inquire about our 'rock'. Since then I have done a fair amount of research. I have come to the following conclusions. There is no evidence of gross misconduct within either board. Those allegations are being made by people that appear to have ulterior motives to muddying these waters. Those that bought into this subdivision did so knowing it was 'isolated', and knowing that is was classed as agricultural. Personally, I prefer that the roads be maintained as they are. The bumpy bits act as speed ramps and this is a dead end residential area with children and animals, not a thoroughfare. We do need to come together to maintain the worst bits and having a central fund has to be a good thing. This can all be arranged with just a little bit of aloha and common sense. The HACA and the HARC are not some nameless faceless corporations. These are your friends and neighbors. Your children will go to school with their children, your grandchildren will end up married to each other. Come the zombie apocalypse we are going to need each other 
As far as the other law suits go, I started by saying that the macdonalds had a right to be heard and that it didn't matter how batty you were it didn't necessarily make you wrong. I stand by that, although I can now quite clearly see why the HACA site was closed to posters!! (Hopefully we can change that also). Cindy, your truth is getting lost in your lies. Take a few days out and try and work out which of your complaints lay in reality and which lay in retaliation and vindictiveness. I look forward to meeting some of you at the next meetings which I believe are on the 14 and 20 July. Lets move forward. My aloha to you all.
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Amen Steve you couldn't have said it better; keep the country country. Most people moved out here for that reason. If you don't like it then move to the city where the roads are better. This place has a magical quality that would be ruined if people like 2bad4u had her way with the roads. People who enjoy creating problems such as suing the road corp. Perfectly said Steve!
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Birch, I warned you. Apparently you did not take me seriously.
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve W
HA has not changed a bit in 25 years of me living here, if you expect to change it, I wish you luck,[] you never will, besides, if you all want change move to the city or somewhere else.,,
Maybe it's been too long since I lived in the acres but the roads have changed in the last 25 yrs - some for the better some for the worse.
Road 8 is now paved all the way to F and it used to be only to C. It was one lane paved to C back in 1994 when I worked at HACA. Potholes in that slim one lane. Back then people worked on their roads themselves in addition to what HACA did (it was one organization back then). 9 is now paved between F to Ainaloa. The connector is open without having to go through Augie's yard and payment of a $1 or a beer or a bud.
Going from 8 and E to 1 and E was a 30 min process of driving slow, stopping to chat for a moment with a neighbor coming down the hill, avoiding the bigger potholes. Always the decision if it was easier to go all the way out on 8 and come back in on So Kulani to 1 Rd. (Okay maybe this one is the same still but I was only on it from 8 to 4 last month.)
One of the things they did back then was have a "fix the road" day every few months and a lot of people where out working on their road, gravel coming to the bad spots, with 4-8 people found on quite a few roads smoothing it out in lots of places on the dirt roads.
So in the "again by comparison" category .... I now live on a paved road not in the acres but a private subdivision where the roads were paved 12+ yrs ago and now the Road association has added speed bumps in everywhere. Even going slow the speed bumps are hard on cars.
So do you deal with the devil you know (unpaved roads) or deal in the future with the devil you dont know yet (speeding, and speed bumps!)
My pollyanna suggestions is to work together and fix roads. Find someone up there who would donated time with equipment for the fix a road day. Although on E road we all just did it with shovels scraping the gravel back onto the road.
And above all - drive slow. It keeps the roads better longer and less car damage.
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