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Kathy, thank you for the update on Na Leo. They are such an asset to our community, and shame on both OHA and DHHL for not providing a simple connection to show the meetings on this island live.
FYI, OHA will be hosting a forum this afternoon/evening for the candidates for OHA. Hopefully, this issue will be addressed at the forum.
See Forum live: http://www.olelo.org/live/
This Friday 'Olelo will be providing exclusive LIVE coverage of the Wai'anae Coast Candidate Forums from our studio in Mapunapuna. Meet the candidates running for OHA Trustee.
4:00pm OHA (O'ahu/Maui candidates)
5:15pm OHA (At large Neighbor Island candidates)
6:00pm OHA (At large 4 candidates)
7:00pm OHA (At large 4 candidates)
7:50pm OHA summary
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Originally posted by csgray
Ownership and governance are two different things. Any country with private land ownership has exactly the same situation.
Really, so authoritarian. Take a trip to Area 51, go past the sign that says "WARNING: SHOT ON SIGHT", and that is on public land, then come back and say that. You seem to have no concept of what land ownership means.
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KH and PT
PT stated "Even if the Hawaiian Nation could be formed, it would already be a nation divided." after listing the names of various large landowners, implying that because so much land was in private hands that a Hawaiian nation was doomed. That was the statement I responded to. Both of you are deliberately twisting my word to defend your positions.
Carol
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
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A thought.. question: When all is said and done.. when all the talk about methods and models.. government to government within without whatever has run it's course I think the bottom line.. the root of the matter if you will.. regarding Hawaiian sovereignty is land. Without it there is nothing methinks. With that in mind I ask where is the Hawaiian Nation going to be? Are we talking State lands? Is Kam School's lands involved? Bishop Museum's lands? I've heard the words "Crown Lands" used in the past but am not clear what they are anymore. Can anyone enlighten me?
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Originally posted by csgray
KH and PT
PT stated "Even if the Hawaiian Nation could be formed, it would already be a nation divided." after listing the names of various large landowners, implying that because so much land was in private hands that a Hawaiian nation was doomed. That was the statement I responded to. Both of you are deliberately twisting my word to defend your positions.
Carol
gosh Carol, I have no desire to twist your words, and I didn't even have a stated position. I didn't know exactly what you were trying to say with your brief sentence, but I thought it worthwhile to point out that nations do have a choice going forward as to how the transfer of land may occur and to whom. That other Polynesian nations have implemented rules that protect the land, so private land ownership is not in and of itself a deal-breaker for a country to protect its culture.
I was just adding a little complexity to your statement of "every" nation, not trying to discredit you or attack you, and pahoated and I are not in league (or have ever really talked to each other). I respect you and so it dismays me to see you say I am word twisting, because I never do that on purpose. It's abhorrent to me.
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If I may, please listen to my nephew's voice, as he calls to the kupuna for guidance, strength and protection. This chant is born in Puna, our home.
Ho'i mai, he calls. Later, the chant calls for "huli", which we translate into (English) "turn". A turn of the tides. We have experienced the ebbs, may we all enjoy the flow.
Time for us to reflect, ponder, plan, and pray for a better future.
Huli a ku huli mai!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4byaD9Jb2jg
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Loved it! Thank you, Opihikao.
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The powers that be in Washington DC will never let Hawaii go. Mainly due to the military need for a forward operating base. In light of this, rather than dreaming of a time machine, why not work with what you already have? Do you really think petioning the UN will have any impact? Its seems like the all or nothing strategy is going to leave you with nothing.
Opihikao, such a powerful chant and performance. Thank you for sharing that. I am in awe of your nephew's force of spirit. I hope that the "huli" manifests, sincerely.
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Kamehameha 1 was a young ali'i when Cook showed up and that is when he was introduced to gunpowder and iron. When the first whaling ships started showing up after the news of the "discovery" of the Sandwich Islands, Kamehameha was in the middle of trying to conquer and unify the islands into One Kingdom. If he hadn't adopted guns and gunpowder, he would never have won and become King. He also failed to conquer Kauai, so the islands have never been unified unless you call this state of divided counties "united". Interesting side note, the British and "genteel" Europe were so horrified by the killing of Captain Cook that the next British visit to Hawaii wasn't until 10 years later. In that time, the American whalers, who had basically driven multiple whale species to extinction on the east coast, had the Pacific and Hawaii for themselves. The whalers only saw the islands for drinking rum and whoring, which they called the Visitor Islands. The whalers were coming from Boston, and ta-dah, the first missionaries came from Boston after hearing about the savagely heathen Hawaiians.
Chiefess Kapiolani converted to Christianity and rejected the ancient spirits. She did this by entering the Kilauea crater without the offering of opehu berries, saying her Christianity would protect her. The high priestess of Pele warned Kapiolani not to do that, and afterward, the high priestess of Pele placed a curse on the entire Hawaiian people, not just Kapiolani. After that, the measles and smallpox epidemic started, the royal family was decimated by rum alcoholism and early death, draining of the royal treasury for opulence and excess, having to sell more and more land for royal expenses, huge tracts of land were taken over by the missionary descendants, and finally the complete breaking of the spirit of the Hawaiian people by taking away all of their land, their ocean, their air, just as the high priestess of Pele had cursed.
The curse has never been lifted.
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