Punatics for PGV

[4antares]

Hectare: 10000 sq meters
6 firkins per.
Love weird trivia.

Lawsuits tend more to make lawyers wealthy than constructively solve problems.

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[opihikao]

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Originally posted by pahoated

Petricci is a professional rabble rouser. He is getting paid by somebody and with the way Puna Porno Alliance dances pantomime around Big Oil, seems to be a pointer. Petricci was one of the group that got a big settlement in the late 90's and he resurfaced about 3 years ago, indicating the settlement was spent. He saw the health angle con as a possible cash refresher. It's bizarre how many people are submissive in being coached the symptoms to fake and report. That is the other strange aspect, these "protesters" always have organizers and handlers. Removing these organizers and handlers, the "protestors" lose cohesiveness and dissipate. There is this long time connection between a small group of people around Pahoa that keep claiming they are the "leaders". It has progressed to the point now that Petricci is flying to Honolulu because he is one of Ruderman's advisors. Ruderman's other advisors are Steve Sparks and Hank Thomas, also part of Puna Porno Alliance. Remember, Ruderman considers these people his technical advisors. Watching these clowns shows how influential the Volcano Circus has been.

"We come in peace!" - First thing said by missionaries and extraterrestrials

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Truth.

JMO.

ETA: I want credentials, not mere opinion. We all have one. Are they all scientists now? Calling geochem, because he is. Ugh.

In addition, Bless you, Sir and Pam, Mr. Tom.

[TomK]

JMO - Pam wanted to post here before and after Iselle, but forgot her password. Apparently, she couldn't reset it, but that might just be Pam. She really wanted to tell us how much she cared for everyone here. I'd have sorted it out but lost power and now she has her own problems to deal with again. But I will pass on your message. You don't know how much it'll mean to her.

Tom

[DanielP]

Now that I am here, the growth should stop!

[Kelena]

Geothermal takes advantage of a local resource to provide energy. It is a very good idea. There are only two problems with the plant here in my view: 1) It does nothing to lower electricity rates and 2) It is a foreign company. I find it appalling --maybe even downright disgusting-- that this company is not US owned. Do we just serve hamburgers now? Is that it?

[snorkle]

Let's put in a Geothermal plant a quarter mile upwind of an established subdivision. Shouldn't be any problems there, right?

[Punaperson]

My spouse's job was relocated from Oahu to the Big Island in 1980. We started looking for property, and Leilani was one of the places that attracted us. After several visits, we were looking at specific parcels with a real estate agent. We were standing on a road mid-way in the subdivision when the most horrid rotten egg smell I could ever imagine came in on the breeze. My spouse and the real estate agent wrinkled their noses and made 'aghh' noises, and I threw up after 2-3 breaths. The smell was gone before I could stand up straight and get to the car. The real estate agent told us that the stench was just a left over 'burp' from the volcanic activity in the area. 'After all' she said, 'Kapoho town used to be just down the road, and was destroyed by lava only 20 years ago.' She seemed quite familiar with them, and said the burps happened 'not a lot, only now and then', and 'rarely lasted longer than a minute or so'. Again, this was 1980, long before PGV. We did not buy in Leilani.

Do I think some people have real health problems living in that area - yes.
Do I think all of the problems are PGV related - no.

Since changing the geology of the volcano is not an option, perhaps some people should consider changing their home location.

[kalakoa]

Not to make light of the issues, but: how quickly we forget that these massive subdivisions were actually a tax mining operation, never intended for actual settlement.

As always, the problem has been made worse because it was allowed to fester. When PGV broke ground, they should have bought out all then-current residents of Leilani. Potential health issues should have been made "mandatory disclosure" for all those lots. Instead, people kept moving there and building houses, now it's faux-residential with all the NIMBY that entails.

A neat solution would be to grant all of Leilani ML zoning as an overlay, then adjust HELCO's tariff so Leilani gets power at PGV cost+10%.

[snorkle]

Here's an honest question;
If all these tax mining, underdeveloped subdivisions weren't here; Would we even need a geothermal Plant?

[geochem]

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Originally posted by kalakoa

Not to make light of the issues, but: how quickly we forget that these massive subdivisions were actually a tax mining operation, never intended for actual settlement.

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Spot on, Kalakoa - I would only add that a goodly number of the then political elite made a bunch of money out of Hawaii's version of the Florida swamp land scam. More detail available in "Land and Power in Hawaii" by Gavin Daws and George Cooper.