Hawaiian culture and modern community development.

[Johnd]

In Europe, South and North America, Africa, and even the South Pacific one encounters obvious signs of native influence in the development of the land. Here there is a lot of talk, a few scattered rock walls and an attempt to designate every bone lying on the forest a historical monument.

Respect is earned.

jdo

[Wao nahele kane]

Kalakoa,
I see your point. Yes, there would be a need to override some existing legislation but I wonder what happens when the use is segregated from common state and county laws under a differing governing body? Obviously the greater law of the land could not be undermined, the U.S. Constitution unless the area were actually seceded from the union and then I would imagine a basic charter would be outlined.

[Wao nahele kane]

Hawaii Bound, Ni'ihau is a privately owned island and even the Hawaiians are purportedly "guest" on that island.

[csgray]

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Originally posted by Wao nahele kane

If we look around at other countries such as Australia with its indigenous population that is left to its own devices and other countries who have left some of their indigenous people to their own devices. We see from the outside peering through the bush yesterday alive today and with time such people will eventually advance when they are ready to do so. So here in Hawaii we as the invading peoples need to be more sensitive to the remaining indigenous population and help support their rediscovery and adaptation. I don't believe that it isn't possible to reverse the hands of time to some degree within given area of the islands.

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I think you might have an overly romanticized concept of the position of indigenous populations in Australia and other places with remote unsettled regions.

If you think the Australian Aboriginal people were left to their own devices you need to do some more research. The Australian government recently issued an apology for, among other things: seizure of lands and water access points for farming and mineral extraction, forced sterilization, forced separation of children from their families, including adoption of children who had been taken away from their parents, and other heavy handed attempts to "civilize" the Australian Aboriginal people that began as soon as England got their hands on the continent. I cannot not think of a single example of colonizers not trying to eradicate the local culture and people through a wide range of methods such as pitting one ethnic group against another, enslavement, forced labor with sever punishment for refusing to work, forced religious conversions, outlawing cultural practices and native languages, land seizures, and putting children in boarding schools where they were punished for even speaking their language. These methods and others were used all over the Americas, Africa, Asia and Pacific by colonial powers who wanted to get rich off the resources of the places these people lived, and for the most part did not consider their cultures to have equal value to their "civilized" colonizers. There are a handful of tribal groups living in very remote places who have been left to themselves, but even they are now dealing with inroads by loggers and mineral seekers.

Something like you are describing could only happen if the people who propose and plan it are the actual Native people, who want it to happen, otherwise you are just talking about people and their culture becoming artifacts in a museum or zoo created by outsiders.

Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb

[james weatherford]

Thanks for that Carol.
My family and I lived in Australia for 8 years, and two adult children live there still.
The Australian Aboriginal people were butchered enmasse in the early days of colonization down under. By the latter 20th century, many people began to see what a folly that was. And, in the mid-to-late nineties, official and public expressions of "sorry" was the response.

[punalvr]

csgray, Exactly my same sentiments. Well said.

punalvr

[Wao nahele kane]

So from the above last few post and keeping with same level of skewed points we are to assume that no integration of Hawaiian culture should be afforded in the islands development. Thank-you for your input.

[Wao nahele kane]

So now that the topic is derailed again, this time regarding aboriginal tribes. Let's look at that for just a moment. From what csgray wrote we would then assume no living cultural tribe would exist today. That's interesting because there are practicing tribe in Australia. Here's a few pictures from such a tribe. http://www.looneypalace.com/modern-aborigines/

With regard the remaining politics and history there still remains a practice of the old cultural lifestyle. Yet... somehow that doesn't exist according to a few folks here.

Back on topic and to my original point, where do we have this sort of daily living practice occurring here in Hawaii under the control of the Hawaiian peoples?

[PaulW]

What makes you think those are Australian aboriginals. Because some website says so?

Here I go being all infatuated again.

[james weatherford]

Wao nahele kane,

kala mai

Apologies if you are offended.
Alas, perhaps your original post required an understanding beyond the abilities of most of us.
Please persist with your higher ambitions and please be patient with those of us who may seem so slow and lacking in understanding.