Prayer

[PaulW]

Religious people calling what other people do "silliness"?

Let's see how those prayers work out with the lava and the road.

[opihikao]

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Originally posted by Kenney

I don't preach, but I do pray every day of my life. No organized religion required. No plans to stop. Mahalo Ke Akua.

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Ditto. Mahalo Ke Akua, e na Aumakua, e na Kupuna. Be safe all.

JMO.

[pam jones]

Call me a person with some common sense but it does seem like a waste of time to plan what to do with an organizations money if A. The organizations building is essentially cutoff from attendees (unless maybe they were trying to discern how much goes to orphans and how much goes to widows) and B. Advertising the opportunity to collectively lift up prayers to God to avoid the potential slow motion disaster and then ignoring it! Not sure if they are in denial, lack the faith of a mustard seed or just didn't care. All I was saying is, it seemed rather odd and surreal. Guess I will just continue to pray and have hope privately, that's all.

[csgray]

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Originally posted by pam jones

MBB not to be a pinhead but the belief of God is an organized belief system. The believers are called Christians because we believe God sent his son (Jesus Christ, he's a real person not just part of a way to swear) who died, rose three days later and now is seated at the right hand of God (Jehovah). A summation of his commandments were to love God with all of your heart and love each other; also, we are not to judge others. The book for learning about him is known as the Bible and it is the most important book to Christians every where. I don't mean to sound ugly in any way but to deny the Father (God) is a sure fire way to have yourself denied by his son in heaven. It is okay to believe and say you do, even in this decayed and pitiful world.

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There are millions of "believers" on this planet who are not Christians. They have deeply held beliefs that are the doctrine for their religions: Buddhists, Taoists, Jews, Muslims, Shintoists and countless others. You may think their beliefs are wrong because they are different than yours (and they may think the same thing about you) but to claim the only people who are "believers" are Christians is inaccurate and really arrogant.

Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb

[punafish]

If people want to pray they should pray, whatever they believe.

But people should also be informed. Here's another take on Masaru Emoto's work:

http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/sh...xperiment/

[faroutsider]

Hi everyone, Peace out! []

[missydog1]

pam, your posts from 9/14 made me really uncomfortable. It's nice for you to believe you have it figured out, but this is or was a secular forum.

I don't go to church (as an adult) because I don't like to be preached at, period.

It's a bit ironic because my ancestors built some of the first churches and meeting halls in Pennsylvania, so they would probably not approve of me. But .. they were dissidents for their time. Some of us are questioners.

I especially can't stand it when some people tell other people they won't be received in heaven. I think the belief in heaven is not sensible, but I don't tell people that who believe.

I lost my father this year, and before he died, he sent me a writing saying it was his wish that no one would say he was in Heaven now. He was an agnostic philosopher and nothing would have irritated him more.

Sorry, but that bit was just pushing my buttons.
I also don't think prayer is always successful by anyone's definition. Like my friends' child who was prayed for, he died in pain, his parents are still in pain and just starting to find their lives again, there was no peaceful release. There was after the autopsy acceptance that it was not possible to save him. Too much leukemia everywhere in his body, much more than they knew when they were holding out hope.

I don't disbelieve in prayer, I don't disbelieve it may have efficacy, but as with all requests, sometimes the answer is just NO. When you ask for something, that answer is one of the options. So go ahead and ask but the idea that we can control our fates entirely is, seems to me, wishful thinking.

I think the lava is gonna go where it is going, wherever that might be. Many people will be have their homes "spared" and many others perhaps not, but I hope no one is going to say that the "not" contingent did not pray well enough.

Kathy

[Kenney]

In my view, prayer is a blessing, not a judgment on any contingent or their choices.

[Kenney]

The folks on the road to the dump (and surrounding area) have been much on my mind. Saying a prayer of protection for all those in the lava's path. May they, their Ohana and their homes be safe. Mahalo Ke Akua.

[opihikao]

Amen, Kenny.

As the flow nears Apa'a Road and continues on, many are on edge, stressed, and the unknown makes for less patience and tolerance of each other. May we be able to overcome the issues that divide us, and at this time, unite as a community in the face of adversity.

Great change is upon us, an experience of a lifetime, and our aina will continue to provide for us. Mahalo Tutu Pele for your presence.

E pule kakou.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXzqgGfQf-M

Be safe, be steadfast, and take care of one another. Aloha kekahi I kekahi (love one another). Mahalo ke Akua, e na Aumakua, e na Kupuna.

JMO.