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30 members at a membership meeting is a quorum
5 Directors at a BOD meeting is a quorum no number of members are required at a BOD meeting and only the BOD vote at that meeting
Moreover, the bylaws are quite clear regarding the Board.
9 Directors make the Board this is a FIXED number and under these bylaws it can't change, therefore, a quorum is 5 Directors no less.
Furthermore, the only provision to vote with less then a quorum is to appoint Directors because there may be less then 5 members.
So, the last 3 meetings of the BOD were illegal and any business conducted at these meetings are invalid and must be voted on in a legal meeting.
When is someone going to hold their feet to the fire and start following the bylaws?
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Here is my opinion on what the new board’s actions have been since July.
1. Incompetence - They signed their oath to uphold the bylaws.
“They don’t know what they don’t know”.
2. Ignorance - They didn’t understand the bylaws and knew
nothing about HRS-414D
3. Arrogance - They don’t care about the bylaws or members and they are going to do what THEY want!
And you can see what happens when you violate the HRS, we get sued!
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quote:Originally posted by reni
[ Reni, I thought the forming of a nominating committee was attempted at the last regularly scheduled Oct board meeting. I believe only Janice, the board treasurer signed up? I don't know if anyone else came forward. I believe there has been some applicants for the vacant board of director seats.]-------------------------------JUST TO AVOID CONFUSION
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OOPS!! ADDED TO THE CONFUSION! hit wrong key!
may look to some that I said what is written directly below "quote: originally posted by reni......I didn't post this .
quote:Originally posted by reni
[ Reni, I thought the forming of a nominating committee was attempted at the last regularly scheduled Oct board meeting. I believe only Janice, the board treasurer signed up? I don't know if anyone else came forward. I believe there has been some applicants for the vacant board of director seats.]-
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I POSTED THIS :
I have NO investment in past employees, present employees, past board members or present board members. My investment is in my property . My loyalty is with our association.
The only way to run a 2 million dollar corp. is by understanding the chain of authority governing this corp. , insuring that actions taken are not in conflict with authority, and Following process as outlined in our bylaws.
I believe what I witnessed at the last board meeting was the same movie I have watched over and over again. Decent people, good intentions , ignorant of process and ignorant of consequences caused by their own ignorance.
TO RESPOND TO MERMAID
"Has anyone ever witnessed members voting on an issue at a board meeting? I thought only the board votes at board meetings and members vote at General Membership Meetings? And the minimum quorum for a membership vote is 30. This occurred at the last Thursday morning board meeting. "
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I felt like I was Alice in Wonderland witnessing it. And the topic? How was this priority over bylaw mandated items previously listed?
I will not support anyone striving to do what's best for the association. This is subjective and limited to their interpretation of "what's best". I will support members who take the time to understand the chain of authority that dictates their actions and demonstrate that they have a grasp on authority and process. There are non profit groups available......one day workshops that can educate board members on the basics. (Have provided 2 sources to a member of the HR committee).
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by reni[/i
TO RESPOND TO MERMAID
I will not support anyone striving to do what's best for the association. This is subjective and limited to their interpretation of "what's best". I will support members who take the time to understand the chain of authority that dictates their actions and demonstrate that they have a grasp on authority and process. There are non profit groups available......one day workshops that can educate board members on the basics. (Have provided 2 sources to a member of the HR committee).
Reni,you took what I said out of context. If you read the whole para, it's not subjective or open to interpretation. Just wanted to clarify my position.
[I will support whomever is striving to do what's best for the association.
Foremost in governing HPP is knowing and following our bylaws. The board's only agenda is to follow their oath to the association.]
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There is another essential matter that needs to be added to Reni’s list of this morning. Taken from the Bylaws on the website (so that we don’t get into a debate about which version is being quoted).
APPENDIX E - HPPOA Business/Fiscal Schedule
October Mandatory road fees set by board not more than 90 days or fewer than 30 days prior to the close of the calendar year
November Determine and vote on road fee increase by end of month
This matter was not on the agenda of any of the meetings in October and, thus, no action was taken. An announcement in October provides members an opportunity to interact with their Directors before the mandated vote in November.
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Reni,you took what I said out of context. If you read the whole para, it's not subjective or open to interpretation. Just wanted to clarify my position.--------------------------------
M, Yes! didn't mean to make it sound like I was quoting you or taking your statement out of context.
What I said WAS ADDING to MY position, which is blah, blah, blah below
The only way to run a 2 million dollar corp. is by understanding the chain of authority governing this corp. , insuring that actions taken are not in conflict with authority, and Following process as outlined in our bylaws.
I will not support anyone striving to do what's best for the association. This is subjective and limited to their interpretation of "what's best". I will support members who take the time to understand the chain of authority that dictates their actions and demonstrate that they have a grasp on authority and process. There are non profit groups available......one day workshops that can educate board members on the basics. (Have provided 2 sources to a member of the HR committee).
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the last 3 meetings of the BOD were illegal and any business conducted at these meetings are invalid
Does this include the part where County was granted permission to use the "private" roads for an emergency access route? Or does that even matter?
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This doesn't include the emergency access route. I don't believe the County has been granted permission yet.
HPP's negotiating with the County on what HPP needs in place before approx 7,000 cars come through. So far the County hasn't been very cooperative.
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Originally posted by Orchidlandguy
I have been a supporter of the new board. BUT, I do not understand what is going on with them now.
What happened to the good intentions?
Why aren't we hearing about the nominating of new board members?
What is happening with nominating committee?
No updates on hiring of GM. Where is this position posted?
What about some committee report from the HR committee?
Is it ok to have decomissioned RTSC
What are the board members doing about the meetings that now need to be re-done?
What can we members do now, before more time passes?
You are not alone. Many previous supporters are asking the same questions. Many well meaning members have tried to assist them. It's disappointing and I don't know what else we can do but to insist they straighten out some of these issues ASAP. We're going into the 4th month with this new board.
Have a Special Board Meeting to fill all 4 of those board vacancies ASAP. Hire a highly experienced GM ASAP. Let the new GM hire the other employees with board oversight and let the board get back to their own business. I think trying to wear 2 hats for this long is the problem. The board needs to focus on their own order of business and I would think they'd be relieved at this point to do so.
