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It has come to my attention that Mr. Ilagan wants to issue a Position Statement which basically says he supports the County helping to maintain private roads used for emergency detours. While this is a nice feel good measure for Mr. Ilagan, it is vaguely worded and does nothing to change the situation which is that private citizens owning in subdivisions with "private" roads must shoulder the costs of maintaining roads that normally support a couple hundred cars a day and which will soon support 1,000's of cars a day. These same people are being threatened with the loss of their homes, (citizens biggest single form of equity), and being displaced with no where to go. So the County arrogantly assumes these residents can shoulder the costs of maintaining their private roads when opened for use as emergency routes. This is simply a ravaging of private resources.
Further, the language in Mr. Ilagan's draft Position Statement includes the roads in Hawaiian Beaches subdivision which he mistakenly believes are private (they're County roads). How is this "Position Statement" of any use? It seems like just another example of taking a "selfie" to try to prove to the public he is doing something to help. I would rather he had stood up for all the people who weren't able to vote in the primary election due to Iselle!
Such self serving measures are not helpful and will only confuse the issue further as homeowners associations attempt to work out agreements with the County. Our homeowners association worked out such a right of entry agreement and the County has already breached the contract and not upheld their end of the agreement. Anyone surprised??? I would like to know Mr. Ilagan's Position Statement on the lies we're being fed by the Puna police trying to deny the spike in property theft crime since Iselle hit and lava inundation is forcing people from their homes.
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It has come to my attention, that the railroad emergency route is temporary until the lava crosses it and wasn't designed to be a permanent solution.
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the County helping to maintain private roads used for emergency detours ... arrogantly assumes these residents can shoulder the costs of maintaining their private roads
As precedent, look no further than the deteriorating pavement on Road 8 in Hawaiian Acres -- it's a designated Emergency Access Road, but apparently the grant of easement to County does not include actual maintenance -- which would be perfectly fine except for the many people who "cut through" to avoid the Keaau Crawl.
HPP whiners ... the ever present "what's in it for me" attitude
Given the track record, I don't blame them, not even a little -- and I suspect the actual "attitude problem" is closer to "please stop screwing us".
Remember, these are all "private" roads which "cannot (by law)" receive any publicly-funded maintenance or support -- until it's an emergency, then all bets are off, just have some more Aloha and leave an hour earlier.
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HPP whiners ... the ever present "what's in it for me" attitude... just have some more Aloha
Aloha is a two way street.
Mahalo.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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First, they are not private roads, they are privately owned roads.
Second. A County can work on any road they want, just as long as the County amends their Charter to state under what conditions the County will work on their privately owned roads (HRS 265 A-1). An example: on Kauai their charter states that there has to be more than six houses on the road and they all cannot be owned by the same person. Both Maui and Kauai have amended their charters so they can work on privately owned roads.
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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
HPP whiners ... the ever present "what's in it for me" attitude... just have some more Aloha
Aloha is a two way street.
Mahalo.
So how is this a two way street of Aloha? I see about 6,000 to 8,000 residents about to get cut off and the county spending a lot of time and effort to get an emergency route.
The irony is there probably could have been another evacuation route if PMAR had been built, but that area has such a history of NIMBY that it takes a natural disaster to get it done.
From my understanding, the evacuation routes are temporary at best, and so far not even in use, so asking for things now seem a little premature.
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I mentioned this in another thread, but want to say it now. I am an HPP resident and have no problem with emergency/evacuation routes being opened up in HPP. Please do not label all HPP residents the same way. We certainly have some NIMBY fruitcakes living here but that might also be said for all the other subdivisions, but many of us are willing to do what we can to help people affected by the lava flow.
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Tom, you are absolutely right. I guess it's too easy to lump everyone in the same category based on a small vocal minority...
Thank you for pointing it out.
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too easy to lump everyone in the same category based on a small vocal minority
I think the term is "clique".
In any case, County is prohibited from improving privately-owned roads by its own Code; if this rule is relaxed for "the emergency" then my subdivision would appreciate the same treatment, especially considering the large amount of traffic that already "cuts through".
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FYI:
The concerns about the roads in should be brought up and stated on record at the Council meeting this morning at 9:15am (11/6). Hopefully some can provide both written and oral testimony to the entire Council for consideration.
Sorry for the short notice, just found this:
TODAY (11/6) at 9:15 am Hawaii County Council Public Safety Mass Transit Committee will have a discussion of the Puna Lava Flow with Darryl Oliveira from Civil Defense and Clayton Honma from Public Works on the current status of the flow, evacuation preparation, temporary housing,coordination with CERT teams.
Council meets in Hilo, but you can give testimony or watch the meeting from any of the 6 satellite locations including Pahoa Neighborhood Center
(*Source - Occupy Hilo /Agenda at link below)
http://records.co.hawaii.hi.us/Weblink8/...?id=836336
JMO.
