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If a person on the mainland is an American citizen, and they manage to get the money for a plane ticket (somehow), there is no law or restriction that prevents them from flying to Hawaii.
If you have an opinion against people legally entering Hawaii, how would you stop it? What kind of law would prevent it?
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Here's an enigma that was published the same day.
http://www.kitv.com/money/hawaii-jobless...r/29851176
It would seem to me that a 4.1% jobless rate is a figment of someones imagination. Twisted imagination appears to be highly contagious these days.
It's no longer the unemployment filing rate, it's magically become the jobless rate.
Enigma - Homeless rates are increasing yet somehow jobless rates are decreasing.
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The first barrier to overcome is one of semantics, derived from a time when there were at least two classes of people, the Landed Gentry, and the Landless peasants. The Landed Gentry had all the land and the rights and privileges therein; while the peasants lived there and had to accept whatever was given but were in fact "Homeless". This has been the setting for the last five hundred years of struggle; those who see it as a contemporary problem that can be solved with some magic hand-waving are sorely deluded.
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This is a great thread or subject that should be a concern to all of us in any community. Here in Puna we have hundreds of homeless or squatters around us everyday, while millions of tourists drive through or fly over our community which in turn helps raise the price of everything. We see down and out people (hungry) sitting all day in front of our best restaurants(kaleo's or luquins)in town. How many of us take our extras or left overs say in a doggy bag, and personally go give to those most choose not to see, instead of leaving it to be thrown away?.
O.k anyway this thread could become loaded with negative responses that really don't help anyone or this could help people become aware of a growing concern or problem within our area. Personally I would like to see more churches and nonprofit organizations become involved with people who are down or homeless. Why couldn't tents be set up by the hundreds on some of the churches land within our communities?. Some of the homeless who had no faith may look or gain faith with a helping hand from our community churches(win,win). We see keiki washing cars or selling goods from area church parking lots for fund raisers, so can our homeless do this same practice at these same churches? If no can then why not, if can then why don't some?.
I really don't know how many religions or churches are within our community, or how much land they currently maintain, maybe some could enlighten me?. If the churches built the temporary homeless tent cities would our homeless climb out from behind our restaurants and do less panhandling or loitering?
Other ideas or thoughts on how we could help this growing homeless concern would be great. Maybe 25 percent of the tourism raised money should go back into our communities churches organizations to help pay for some of the needs for these folks. Tourism is why we have to pay$5 for a beer or $15 for a cheeseburger at kaleo's, or why we have to pay almost $200 a night to stay at a resort. So why couldn't a portion of the inflation go back to who it hurts the most, the folks looking in from our partially closed road.
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Just as an aside,there are 20+ housing units behind the TinShack bakery on church land that have been sitting empty since they were moved there a few years ago. What a waste.
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Originally posted by Wao nahele kane
Here's an enigma that was published the same day.
http://www.kitv.com/money/hawaii-jobless...r/29851176
It would seem to me that a 4.1% jobless rate is a figment of someones imagination. Twisted imagination appears to be highly contagious these days.
It's no longer the unemployment filing rate, it's magically become the jobless rate.
Enigma - Homeless rates are increasing yet somehow jobless rates are decreasing.
It looks like the "jobless" term is just used in the title and the number mostly discussed is the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate. This statistic has so many layers of adjustment it becomes difficult to determine what exactly it's measuring.
For example, when people reach the end of their unemployment benefits they are no longer counted in the statistic. Doesn't mean they're employed, just not filing for benefits.
The homeless population is most likely not filing for unemployment (which is probably true in general as they may lack a recent job to draw benefits from, or if they have unemployment benefits they probably would have housing). As such, their numbers could double without having any real impact on the unemployment numbers.
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Early America that offered free land for all? Go west, go west. Remember that one? The homestead act that has been since repealed?
http://goodwordusa.org/homestead/landinfo/govland.htm
So it would appear that a magic wand was waved and homelessness no longer became an option to the poor but rather the only option.
Homelessness is an option exercised by both individuals and government entities. Because homelessness can be considered a right, there is no way to end it, because no matter the amount of homes that could be made available, many people would still opt to be homeless. Yes, the government could make homeless compounds to take up the slack for those who don't wish too be homeless, but that won't end the homeless issue.
The notion of landless peasants in the USA forced by the land gentry is nonsense.
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This statistic has so many layers of adjustment it becomes difficult to determine what exactly it's measuring.
I believe that's exactly the point; the "real" unemployment is approximately 3-5x the "official" statistic.
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If you were homeless, or even not, where would you go?
Well, I am not too proud to say that if I found myself in that situation and didn't already live here, I would lie, cheat, steal, and anything else just short of killing someone to get here (or any tropical locale). But the simplest thing would be to get arrested enough times to get the judge to set me up with a ticket to Paradise.
Why be homeless where it is cold and miserable when you can be in a place where - if need be, you can gain a meal simply by walking down the street and picking it fresh of the tree or vine or tossing a line into the water?
Mental issues aside, you can't force a person to have a roof over their head of they don't want one. Being homeless, or houseless is not a crime despite the desire by some politicians and citizens to make it so.
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Originally posted by Wao nahele kane
Early America that offered free land for all? Go west, go west. Remember that one? The homestead act that has been since repealed?
http://goodwordusa.org/homestead/landinfo/govland.htm
So it would appear that a magic wand was waved and homelessness no longer became an option to the poor but rather the only option.
Homelessness is an option exercised by both individuals and government entities. Because homelessness can be considered a right, there is no way to end it, because no matter the amount of homes that could be made available, many people would still opt to be homeless. Yes, the government could make homeless compounds to take up the slack for those who don't wish too be homeless, but that won't end the homeless issue.
The notion of landless peasants in the USA forced by the land gentry is nonsense.
Federal homesteading efforts are generally over with, but there are counties and cities using free land incentives that follow the homesteading model.
http://www.cfra.org/renewrural/freeland
Homeless by choice is a tough topic. How do they get food, water, medical and other services and who pays for these? There are also mental health issues and whether the choice is one of rational consent. That all said, if people choose to be homeless and can provide for their own welfare, then there would be little grounds for objection. I'm not sure how well this description generally applies to modern urban homeless populations.
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