Police Encounter With Hawaiian National in Pahoa

[JohnDW]

As far as I'm concerned true freedom is to be able to walk in all worlds. Some people paint themselves into a shrinking corner. The pressure of seven billion people is felt everywhere, even at Uncle Robert's.

Un Mojado Sin Licencia

[Guest]

I apologize sincerely and humbly in advance for any offence.

But the notion that a militarily defenceless Kingdom of Hawaii would have experienced anything other than invasion and occupation in the late 19th and early 20th century is a fantasy. Any serious reading of the history of this era indicates that, in the event of American disavowal of any security interest, Hawaii would have been promptly militarily occupied by Japan, Russia or France. A Japanese occupation would have been particularly disastrous for Hawaiians because late 19th century Japan was territorially expansionist and brutally racist. The estimated body count of Japanese occupation in China and Korea alone during this period numbers over a millions. Perhaps native Hawaiian culture might have fared better under Russian, and certainly French occupation than US occupation, but we will never know. Ideally, Hawaii should have been made an independent and sovereign protectorate of the US, but that presumes the best of all possible worlds and did not happen. In the brutal, racist, real world as it existed over a century ago, the notion that Hawaii would have stood alone as the single ancient society in human history occupying a strategic location to escape colonial occupation is simply not plausible. I do not defend this on any sort of moral grounds. Like any civilized person today I find past injustices and their motivations appalling.

Human history is ugly. There is no other word. It is easy to cast judgement in hindsight, and the temptation to do so is high. Many feel we should revisit history and right wrongs, but life has moved on after a century and, world court or not, that is not as morally straightforward as one might think. I'm only expressing an opinion based upon a lifetime of study of human history from a specific cultural perspective. Others may come to contrary conclusions from other perspectives and their opinions are no less valid or worthy than mine.

I know there are people whom I respect deeply who may be offended by my opinions and all I can say is that I apologize where that is the case.

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You can't fix Samsara.

[Rob Tucker]

I would like to point out that not all the wrongs suffered by the Hawaiians are ancient history. It has been my observation that they continue to this day. Exploitation did not fade away at some vague point in the past. It goes on.

Here is a small example: My cost to survey my property was about $700. I saw a line item in DHHL's budget a few years back where DHHL was paying a surveyor to survey 7 Hawaiian Homelands lots for $67,000... and this is just a tiny example. These monies are "managed" in trust for the Hawaiian people. Who is serving who?

The fleecing continues.

[bystander]

Some say American domination of Hawaii was the best possible outcome since we are such kind and benevolent conquerors compared to other countries. That's complete BS. Look up the Philippine–American War which was an ugly racist war of conquest. The same thing didn't happen here because the Hawaiian government was already weak and didn't fight back and gave into annexation. Also there was nothing of strategic or economic importance at the time.

From Wikipededia:

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The war and occupation by the U.S. would change the cultural landscape of the islands, as people dealt with an estimated 34,000 to 220,000 Filipino casualties (with more civilians dying from disease and hunger brought about by war), disestablishment of the Roman Catholic Church in the Philippines (as a "state Church" – as previously in Spain), and the introduction of the English language in the islands as the primary language of government, education, business, industrial and increasingly in future decades among families and educated individuals.

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[Seeb]

But DHHL and OHA are run by bloodline Hawaiians, so it's not the evil " foreigners" screwing them over.

[kalakoa]

These monies are "managed" in trust for the Hawaiian people. Who is serving who?

To say nothing of the DHHL subdivisions with full utilities, streetlights (which HELCO doesn't run for free), and very few residents ... because "all they have to do is" find the money to build a permitted house that will satisfy County.

[Rob Tucker]

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Originally posted by Seeb

But DHHL and OHA are run by bloodline Hawaiians, so it's not the evil " foreigners" screwing them over.

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I've been in DHHL offices and didn't see much in the way of Hawaiian faces, at least in middle management.

[Seeb]

The county has no authority DHHL land. Hence Wal-Mart and target and anything on that DHHL land does not have to follow county zoning or planing

[Seeb]

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Originally posted by Rob Tucker

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Originally posted by Seeb

But DHHL and OHA are run by bloodline Hawaiians, so it's not the evil " foreigners" screwing them over.

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I've been in DHHL offices and didn't see much in the way of Hawaiian faces, at least in middle management.

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Here is the commission http://dhhl.hawaii.gov/hhc/

[kalakoa]

The county has no authority DHHL land.

I doubt Target, Safeway, and Walmart would pull permits if they could have saved the money by not doing so.

Reference: TMK 220470720000, permit B2010-0812H for a $17.6M retail building.