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Originally posted by Punatic007
Geothermal in a residential area is so bizarre when the international standard is a 10 mile radius to buffer residential. Anyone who doesn't comprehend that and is not in support of folk complaining of health and sound problems have lack of empathy issues. I'm out of range but I have spoken with too many folk whom I respect(including Harry Kim, previous head of Civil Defense and the Mayor) who say the same thing, sound, respiratory issues etc... while the rest of us in Puna are doing good.
That alone is why I do not condone geothermal in Puna, it's way too close to pre-existing residential areas and too many folk say it is causing them grief. That's good enough for me. They have my full support and I will continue to sign petitions and call and write politicians whenever needed.
Gypsy you have my full support and deepest sympathies.
(BBM)Link please, to the above (re: 10 mile radius)? That is not factual to my knowledge; just part of the misinformation put forth.
In fact, from my reading the testimony (and doing my own research) at the time of the resolution, safety was an issue in stopping the drilling process midstream. (*See County Council testimony online for this resolution, from experts in the field).
Kenoi didn't veto it knowing the permit stands "as is", for PGV. Keep in mind, PGV/ORMAT is also operating under federal law, not just County/State regulations.
As to Harry Kim, who used to deliver kim chee to my Papa & Tutu's house, and who "revered" (his words) my Papa, when asked directly about his concern during his tenure at CD, given True Geothermal (under Mr. Maurice Richard) was being built, all he stated was, "Lorraine Inouye (Mayor at the time) tied my hands"(verbatim). Looking around the room, figured it was best left at that.
When I asked Mr. Kim what he did during his tenure as Mayor given his concerns, as he signed off on the permit to expand the now PGV, you could "cut the air with a knife". The look in his eye was telling (I watch body language, too). After a "pregnant pause", the response was, "I did not do enough for the people of Puna".
I was floored. Love the man, however, he had eight (8) years to shut PGV down if it was such a detriment to our community.
Get ready (or stand in line) for the lawsuits to be filed. Again.
JMO.
Do your own research and find your own links to support your stance that you do not believe a buffer zone is necessary, and that you think geothermal should go right up to your back fence and blast you out 24/7 for months.
I've read about the 10 mile buffer zone and heard it at meetings from the experts. Harry Kim had a change of heart or shall we say turnabout after the facts started rolling in, took him a while but he came in full support of the neighbors. No need to begrudge him when he was not aware. He was present and speaking with Dominic Yagong at a few meeting I attended to support our ohana here in Puna. Both men are very intelligent and community minded, good people who care.
Hmmmm....to care or not to care.... your choice!
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Maybe in the old days of non-closed loop systems , 10 miles would have been normal.
A 1 to 2 mile radius would be sufficient now. Anything more is simply overkill.
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Punatic, 007, stated:
Do your own research and find your own links to support your stance that you do not believe a buffer zone is necessary, and that you think geothermal should go right up to your back fence and blast you out 24/7 for months.
I've read about the 10 mile buffer zone and heard it at meetings from the experts. Harry Kim had a change of heart or shall we say turnabout after the facts started rolling in, took him a while but he came in full support of the neighbors. No need to begrudge him when he was not aware. He was present and speaking with Dominic Yagong at a few meeting I attended to support our ohana here in Puna. Both men are very intelligent and community minded, good people who care.
Hmmmm....to care or not to care.... your choice!
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I already did my research (over the course of 30+ years), put forth by real experts in the field, not ranting, raving, fear mongering, lawsuit driven voices.
What "experts" wrote what you read? Puna Pono group of "experts"? Merely asking for proof of your statement regarding 10 mile "International standard" buffer zone. Don't waste yout time, it does not exist.
The political aspirations of Harry Kim and Yagong saw votes in Puna, the fastest growing community at the time. Further, Harry Kim was a terrific CD Director. To claim "he was not aware" is an insult to him! In fact, he had an evacuation plan in place, a safety plan in place, and more, long before he was Mayor.
I do care. A lot.
JMO.
ETA: Leilanidude, mahalo for being realistic, and sincere in your posts on this topic.
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@opihikao,
You can take all the offense you want, your choice. I did not remotely insult Harry Kim when I defended him. Then you accused him of catering to the Puna crowd looking for votes? Good God, your projections couldn't be more transparent.
Show us a link that claims a 10 mile buffer zone is not necessary to protect neighbors? Show us any link about buffer zones since your posts are an attempt to correct mine.
Opihikao, I find it interesting that you are so pro geothermal. Maybe your ohana benefits from it in more ways than we know. The Office of Hawaiian Affairs (Oha) gets paid off by geothermal just like the county. They receive twenty percent of the geothermal royalties. It seems like geothermal has paid off the right people.
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The supposed "Hawaiian" people get royalties from geothermal. I've seen them in droves fly in from Oahu to attend our local meetings and "lobby their cause" while they throw 100's if not 1000's of families under the bus to get their dirty cash. What goes around comes around.
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Opihikao, I find it interesting that you are so pro geothermal. Maybe your ohana benefits from it in more ways than we know. The Office of Hawaiian Affairs (Oha) gets paid off by geothermal just like the county. They receive twenty percent of the geothermal royalties. It seems like geothermal has paid off the right people.
gypsy, my ohana gets NOTHING from geothermal, nor have any of us received one red cent from OHA in our entire lives. In fact, (sorry, O/T) I do not believe OHA serves the people of this state (all of us) very well. The truth is, the State of Hawaii owns the resource, and we own the resource (all of us).
Bottom line, I don't want my keiki and mo'opuna paying 45 cents a KWH or more in the future. Thanks to the law in Hawai'i, the cost of geothermal has been tied to the price of oil for the existing contract.
Without exact proof that geothermal is causing health issues (there is still no evidence to date, and thankfully, the Health study is being done finally), there is little chance of change.
punatic007, for the record, my statement was a ten (10) mile buffer zone was not an "International standard". Not that a buffer zone is not warranted. In fact, I agree with leilanidude's assessment of a one (1) mile radius. After work today, I'll get my links, you get yours, and let's work towards the middle.
JMO.
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I'm generally in support of geothermal and am also specifically in support of good monitoring for public safety.
I can't think of anything I get out of it personally except this:
We've been burning fossil fuels as fast as we can for 100 years and our addiction has led us into wars in which lots of people die and suffer. I am against people dying and suffering so we as a nation can waste energy. Meanwhile the health affects of burning petrochemicals is far worst than anything geothermal is accused of.
Our island is in a position to substantially reduce our dependence on petroleum. I see that as a major plus if we choose to do it. To a large degree I see the anti geothermal faction as simple NIMBYs. The want someone else to subsidize our energy dependence. I think that is wrong. The one thing I don't see is the anti geothermal people voting with their feet and moving. If I was as affected as they claim to be by PGV I and my family would be gone in a minute.
Assume the best and ask questions.
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The one thing I don't see is the anti geothermal people voting with their feet and moving.
Sometimes "having the problem" is more important than "solving the problem" -- what would these people complain about if they moved? Shorter commute, cleaner air, house not in the path of the lava flow?
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gypsy - It seems like geothermal has paid off the right people.
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I don't believe that you "get it". Geothermal hasn't paid off anyone. Anyone who has HELCO are the ones paying for those royalty funds! How do you think geothermal gets the money in the first place They simply sell the product to HELCO, who sells it to the customers of HELCO. Period. HELCO's money is YOUR money, too.
The more you want geothermal to fund various relocation, health studies, pay more in taxes, etc, the more you will pay for electricity!
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