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Originally posted by hppwatchdog
I finally received a copy of the 2013-14 fiscal audit.
In my opinion, the law suit against the Association is a slam dunk.
The former GM keeps stirring the pot w/his misinformation campaign. (A friend of his asked the ofc for the info). He is invested in this lawsuit..why wouldn't winning mean everything? That's all he keeps telling us...that he's winning. Why would anyone think that he cares about the association? He's suing the association, he's suing US. Take what he and his supporters say w/a grain of salt.
We have no idea what this board may have on the TE's since they're not allowed to talk about the lawsuit. We have no idea how it'll all pan out. The TE's don't even know.
It's appalling and frustrating that we still don't have employees hired yet. But it doesn't mean anyone's stealing $$$. It means that a couple of them are guilty of poor mgmt decisions and arrogance and should step down.
I'll reiterate that the treasurer was asked to be the spokesperson at those meetings for the board, hppwatchdog. The treasurer isn't usually the spokesperson for the board, you know that. Usually it's the Pres or VP's job. She didn't act alone so the fair thing to do is to charge all of them.
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No comment on the outcome of the audit? No expression of relief that, at least as recently as six months ago, the Associations assets were protected?
No indication of dismay that the current "administration" persists in trying to obfuscate the situation - either by (continued) ignorance or purposeful disobedience of the By laws?
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Janet, since the board isn't forthcoming w/this information, the question is whether any member/s asked them for the results at any of the board mtgs? I believe the board members don't read Punatalk. Members also have their responsibility in asking questions and/or making comments, w/civility, if they want to know specifics of anything. Either at a meeting in front of other members or writing their district rep. If done at a meeting, it gets recorded in the minutes. This also provides the information to those that can't attend meetings.
It'd be a good question to ask at the next board mtg...
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Originally posted by mermaid53
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Originally posted by hppwatchdog
I finally received a copy of the 2013-14 fiscal audit.
In my opinion, the law suit against the Association is a slam dunk.
The former GM keeps stirring the pot w/his misinformation campaign. (A friend of his asked the ofc for the info). He is invested in this lawsuit..why wouldn't winning mean everything? That's all he keeps telling us...that he's winning. Why would anyone think that he cares about the association? He's suing the association, he's suing US. Take what he and his supporters say w/a grain of salt.
We have no idea what this board may have on the TE's since they're not allowed to talk about the lawsuit. We have no idea how it'll all pan out. The TE's don't even know.
It's appalling and frustrating that we still don't have employees hired yet. But it doesn't mean anyone's stealing $$$. It means that a couple of them are guilty of poor mgmt decisions and arrogance and should step down.
I'll reiterate that the treasurer was asked to be the spokesperson at those meetings for the board, hppwatchdog. The treasurer isn't usually the spokesperson for the board, you know that. Usually it's the Pres or VP's job. She didn't act alone so the fair thing to do is to charge all of them.
Don't you understand that she should have said NOTHING! Her actions are what supports the defamation charges. The rest of the board did the right thing and kept their gums shut. Even you say that the board can't talk about the lawsuit.
BTW, all 6 are being sued independent from the Association. Once they are found guilty of violating the law there is no indemnification.
I do care about the Association, but I care more about the truth. If these directors harmed the TE's then they have to pay for it.
To bad it's our money supporting their illegal activities.
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Just to clarify one point, hppwatchdog:
If the court finds in favor of the terminated employees and finds that civil or criminal laws were broken in the process, the insurance underwriter has the right to refuse to pay for any legal expenses incurred by the defendants and any damages awarded to the plaintiffs.
In that case, the legal expenses and awards assessed to the Association (as a defendant) will come out of the "members' money".
Those damages assessed to the individual Directors will come out of their pockets.
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Though I am not a legal expert, I am by far a novice and what Watchdog states is the truth. His comments here are very valid. He must be in the legal field. And I thank him for his excellent information.
We were told by Janice that there were missing funds and a forensic audit was needed yet the audit proves this false. And there has been no mention of a forensic audit as of late. That would have cost all of us thousands and thousands of dollars.
The lawsuit is going to cost us all thousands and thousands of dollars. This is unforgivable. The board members that got us in this position have a whole lot to answer for but I am not holding my breath. They can only continue to keep information from us and lie.
We(HPPOA) have legitimate grounds to sue these board members for repayment of the legal fees they have cost us yet we can not access our funds for this but the board is free to do so. Every time the treasurer does any financial work and book keeping for the association, she is in serious violation but this has not stopped her so we can only assume by what she has said and what she continues to do, she is on board with Jo, B.J., Roseann and Francis. There is no other way to look at this situation. 1 board member can't break the by-laws, professional codes of conduct etc. and be given a pass. The illogical thought process here is really way out there.
I value several people who post here. Their ideas, thoughts and information are fruitful. Others I am going to just not even read. 1 commenter continues to name call, label, and make inaccurate comments. 5 posts ago this particular persons comments were made in anger and inaccurate. I sure wish she would practice what she preaches to us. If we stick to facts and legitimate questions and solutions this thread will be very valuable.
Janet, thanks for the clarifications and SWR, you have some really valuable experience.
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Originally posted by Katarina
Though I am not a legal expert, I am by far a novice and what Watchdog states is the truth. His comments here are very valid. He must be in the legal field. And I thank him for his excellent information.
We were told by Janice that there were missing funds and a forensic audit was needed yet the audit proves this false. And there has been no mention of a forensic audit as of late. That would have cost all of us thousands and thousands of dollars.
The lawsuit is going to cost us all thousands and thousands of dollars. This is unforgivable. The board members that got us in this position have a whole lot to answer for but I am not holding my breath. They can only continue to keep information from us and lie.
We(HPPOA) have legitimate grounds to sue these board members for repayment of the legal fees they have cost us yet we can not access our funds for this but the board is free to do so. Every time the treasurer does any financial work and book keeping for the association, she is in serious violation but this has not stopped her so we can only assume by what she has said and what she continues to do, she is on board with Jo, B.J., Roseann and Francis. There is no other way to look at this situation. 1 board member can't break the by-laws, professional codes of conduct etc. and be given a pass. The illogical thought process here is really way out there.
I value several people who post here. Their ideas, thoughts and information are fruitful. Others I am going to just not even read. 1 commenter continues to name call, label, and make inaccurate comments. 5 posts ago this particular persons comments were made in anger and inaccurate. I sure wish she would practice what she preaches to us. If we stick to facts and legitimate questions and solutions this thread will be very valuable.
Janet, thanks for the clarifications and SWR, you have some really valuable experience.
Is our treasurer credible?
The first thing she should have done was order an audit before touching the accounting, but she did not. They were is such a rush to judgment to see all the bad things they heard were going on that they couldn't wait and report to the members. Remember, these new directors had not seen ANY information in the office or on Quick Books until after they fired the staff.
All their information was hearsay.
Second, she would have informed the other directors that it against standard accounting practices and the bylaws for her to do the accounting and then approve it, after all she is a accounting professional, but she did not.
She would have required the board to hire a bookkeeper to process the A/P, A/R and payroll, but she did not.
But, the fix was in for Susan Escobar to take over Cathy's Job. (ha, ha)
The board could have hired a temp bookkeeper, or contractor (like the old bookkeeper) until they could hire a permanent replacement for Cathy and keep the check and balance in the accounting for the Association.
Now they are going to make Susan Escobar the Administrator, she's not even a good clerk. The administrator will supervise and manage the association. That's the GM's job.
You be the judge.
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As an outsider to this subdivison - and only from the posts -
I would be concerned if I was the treasurer that an organization of this size was requiring me to do these things, especially when there is paid staff to do these things to keep it above board.
There should be a check and balances and the treasurer is that check. Nothing may be being done wrong, but when someone else is writing doing the checks, it is more legitimate for the treasurer to review the process, than be the one doing the process.
As a treasurer she should be saying, NO, this is not generally accepted accounting practices. You may see it referred to as GAAP in a response from the auditor following the audit. This is the treasurer's job to run the financial side in a GAAP manner.
My 2 cents.
One other thing, addressed to Mermaid, people can want the board to operate above board, and at the same time, not automatically be supporters of the terminated employees. These two things do not go hand in hand.
Okay now my 4 cents.
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Originally posted by hppwatchdog:
In my opinion, the law suit against the Association is a slam dunk.
Originally posted by mermaid and reiterating the msg:
The former GM keeps stirring the pot. He is invested in this lawsuit..why wouldn't winning mean everything? That's all he keeps telling us...that he's winning. Why would anyone think that he cares about the association? He's suing the association, he's suing US. Take what he and his supporters say w/a grain of salt.
Originally posted by hppwatchdog:
Don't you understand that she should have said NOTHING! Her actions are what supports the defamation charges. The rest of the board did the right thing and kept their gums shut. Even you say that the board can't talk about the lawsuit.
BTW, all 6 are being sued independent from the Association. Once they are found guilty of violating the law there is no indemnification.
I do care about the Association, but I care more about the truth. If these directors harmed the TE's then they have to pay for it. To bad it's our money supporting their illegal activities.
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hppwatchdog, you can't be both the former GM, and a HPPOA member when you don't own property in HPP. You're forgetting which hats you're wearing when you're posting here. As I said earlier, only the former GM would say the things you've said.. we've known each other for over 4 yrs through my committee work. You've been discussing work that ties in w/the last paving project, RPM's and road striping in your recent posts. That's GM stuff.
Which brings us to your saying "our" money. It's members' money and you're suing us. Some of you want to distract what led to the terminations. Where were some of these members who are defending the TE's so vigorously when we were having big issues w/the previous mgmt???? Not at any board meetings I can remember. Came to the party a bit late, got maybe half the picture, half the truth, piggy backing on what others have told them bc they weren't in the trenches themselves=misinformed.
NO ONE gets terminated for nothing. This issue is more complicated than most understand and some are terribly misinformed. If anyone wants the truth, find out what happened during the previous mgmt's tenure. Go digging, get the whole picture, get your own truth. Read previous minutes. One person doesn't want anyone to talk about the past, but you're not informed otherwise.
I don't support the method of the terminations and I'm furious about our state of affairs after 6+ months w/no GM. I can only surmise why someone dragged their feet this long and it's very disturbing. The HRC started their work in August and I believe a GM ad could've been in the paper by Sep. That should've been the first order of business, hire a GM ASAP. It's so disturbing that they've been wearing two hats this long.
Our bylaw needs to be changed regarding the "6 mo interim" and perhaps no board member s/b allowed to be an interim employee at all. The line btw employee and board duties have been severely blurred.
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Originally posted by Kapohocat
One other thing, addressed to Mermaid, people can want the board to operate above board, and at the same time, not automatically be supporters of the terminated employees. These two things do not go hand in hand.
I totally agree w/your statement. I understand the difference but the people I've addressed in particular ARE TE supporters. I know them and they know me.
I am thoroughly disgusted w/what's happening w/our board, but am trying to be fair too. Not all are arrogant, some are honest and have potential, some are brand new. We have big problems w/this board and we had big problems w/the previous mgmt. The TE's and their supporters won't acknowledge that fact bc it hurts their agenda. No matter how hard they keep trying to change the subject, what happened in the past is intertwined w/what's going on now, even though the process was incorrect.
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