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laurie - There was info and notification way back in the day when the PEAR was being considered and developed. Very very few were against this improvement to the road. Signage for speeding needs inprovement, agreed. What do you mean "divide the estate in two"? The road was aleady there, it did not keep neighbors from continuing to be neighbors, or part of the Acres no longer part of the subdivision
considering it only took four people out of the 4,000 lots owner to sign it over, i wonder what constituted 'very very few'?? there probably was info. i can't seem to find much, certainly not specific to hawaiian acres, but that i think is part of my concern. these subdivisions are individual. surely we should have some sort of targeted research on the pros and cons of such enormous propositions?
as to dividing the estate into two, that was a bit of an exageration, but the 'feel' (warm and fuzzy stuff warning) of the acres changed with that road. there are the people on 1road and 8 road and there is 'everybody in-between'. people on 9, 10, and 11 now appear to be more orchidland. i don't know whether i am explain this or making it more confusing 
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I do not agree that the county has not maintained the PEAR.
Perhaps we can agree that the pavement from C to Kuauli is of a "minimum standard"...
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The text is kind of light, but here's an article about 8 Rd that's relevant to it's condition. http://www.hawaiianacresroads.org/wp-con...istake.pdf
As for signage, HARC has been after the County for new, better, and more accurate signage for several months now (at least). We'll get them eventually. Hopefully it's just a matter of persistence.
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I drive the entire lengths of both 8 and 1 roads about once a month (well, usually I come down F road and miss the unpaved portion of 8 between F and G). As I understand it, these are the two best-maintained roads in the subdivision (I've never seen any better).
8 Road is pretty darn good. I notice that more lots on Road 8 seem to have houses than other roads. People there are more likely to drive regular sedans instead of trucks and SUVs. Real estate prices are higher on 8. Overall, people seem to want to live on 8 Road more than on the other roads.
Real estate is denser, prices higher, and cars less rugged on the paved part of 1 Road, too.
The perception is that people on these roads are getting MORE than the rest of us. Better roads! newspaper delivery! Cable TV! Fast and easy access to the outside world! (On the other hand, they deal with higher population density, more and faster traffic, and the outside world has easier access to them.)
Obviously, these more accessible parts of the subdivision attract a different kind of person than the wild and woolly areas. I think that may be an issue for some residents--it's changed the flavor of the acres.
So I don't think the paving of Rd 8 makes a physical division between above and below it, I think it contributes to a division in the Acres sub-culture. People on pavement vs people off-pavement and proud of it.
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lee - i think you described it much more accurately than i. being an 'off pavement person'. i am concerned that my bit of waaaay out the way sanity is going to be forcibly changed. the people "on pavement" have no such fears. cable is about the last thing i want!! (although i have to admit i would love working internet so even within myself there is hypocrisy involved). i can do with out electric, and in fact ENJOY doing so. moving to the back of beyond was the best thing i ever did for my son (well not the BEST thing - but certainly not the worst!). without the poison of the television, without the distraction of the gameboy, he READ. he built things, he learned about his environment. but its not just about seclusion. its about the environment. a lot of people have moved to this agricultural area in the hope of attaining some degree of sustainability. this is now very quickly being turned into a residential development. how does one stop that? CAN one stop that?
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concerned that my bit of waaaay out the way sanity is going to be forcibly changed
Again: subdivision development posture needs to be decided and declared, otherwise the argument of "gentrification" vs "keep-it-country" will just keep circling.
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cf, Lee, birchl, kalakoa: you all bring up really good points! And great info to share. Mahalo! About the Acres "sub-cultures" - I am proud to be part of the warm, fuzzy & informed sub-culture!
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Originally posted by Lee M-S
Obviously, these more accessible parts of the subdivision attract a different kind of person than the wild and woolly areas. I think that may be an issue for some residents--it's changed the flavor of the acres.
So I don't think the paving of Rd 8 makes a physical division between above and below it, I think it contributes to a division in the Acres sub-culture. People on pavement vs people off-pavement and proud of it.
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I agree with you, there has been a change in the sub-culture and it may be related to accessibility. Some folks would never have been tempted to purchase lots in HA if there wasnt pavement in front of or close to their lot. Then there are folks like myself who purposely stayed away from pavement. Then there are some who should have bought on pavement but didnt yet have expectations of how they want improvements and deserve wonderful roads. And of course there are the lotowners who enjoy pavement access and as has been pointed out, they settle in on 1, 8 and 9. However, many folks of all the different "road sub-cultures" have the Acres quintessential "go-it-alone & do-it-yourself" attitude. So as we can see, the subcultures have subcultures!!
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Originally posted by kalakoa
You also seem uncomfortable with the PEAR if this technicality bothers you.
I'm "uncomfortable" with the way County fails to maintain PEAR as required by the terms of their easement. Perhaps the pavement meets some "minimum standard"?
Yes, it is some kind of minimum standard. The PEAR is a rare exception to the county and federal use of funds on private roads. Unique, and requiring different interpretations of county road standards. I feel strongly the relationship works! As an example of how the agreement/easement has worked for us is we have kept the county from spraying herbicide along this route for many many years. This is without precedent I believe. We do not even have to post signage requesting no spraying, as other property owners must do.
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Originally posted by cfscott
The text is kind of light, but here's an article about 8 Rd that's relevant to it's condition. http://www.hawaiianacresroads.org/wp-con...istake.pdf
As for signage, HARC has been after the County for new, better, and more accurate signage for several months now (at least). We'll get them eventually. Hopefully it's just a matter of persistence.
We shouldnt have to request signage and wait months! Not sure why this is happening as during my tenure as office manager, one call to public works usually resulted in signage replacement or pothole repair within days! We called the dept of public works baseyard in Kurtistown directly. But then, we also had one of their head employees on the HARC board! go figure!!
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