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All stakeholders, as is said, should have a voice, in my opinion.
They do. Look how that's turned out.
I do not agree that enough stakeholders care to take time to express their voice. And actually kalakoa, things have not turned out badly, just were re-routed by lies & stupidity for awhile.
Things are back on track. The non-profits continue to work for us everyday. The best part in the Acres is you can contribute or not, be involved or not. the choice is yours. But Please dont complain about how things are if you are not willing to be involved on some level, other than complaining & pointing fingers. Thats just very non-productive unless you get off on complaining, as some folks do. But I do not get the sense that you are that selfish.
laurie ,,, very good response and thoughtful . I think a 3yr test drive is what is needed to see if any group actually makes any changes for good or bad ,,, I guess Gladys kravitz wants her road today ,, hahahhahahah
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I do not agree that enough stakeholders care to take time to express their voice.
Having not paid my dues, I am not considered a "stakeholder", despite being a landowner and/or resident.
It's very like County taxation; I disagree with how that's being spent, too. Here, again, I'm perfectly welcome to participate in the process that might eventually change that, but those hours aren't billable, and I need that money to eat (and thus, pay taxes).
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$30/yr for voting rights, a playground / bus stop for neighborhood kids, a nice place to meet neighbors, a place to attend many free events, and free power and wifi? Seems like a bargain to me, even if HACA did nothing else but maintain the place and pay the bills. Even absentee owners can feel good knowing they are helping to create community, and giving something to the neighborhood.
Even so, perhaps work-trade is possible? 3-4 hours a year?
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[i] Here, again, I'm perfectly welcome to participate in the process that might eventually change that, but those hours aren't billable, and I need that money to eat (and thus, pay taxes).
None of us volunteers are independently wealthy. We all own this community together and we need to all realize that you don't get to be paid for taking care of your own belongings. I wish I was paid for mowing my yard, doing my dishes, and volunteering with my community. But honestly, that's totally absurd.
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realize that you don't get to be paid for taking care of your own belongings
I don't expect to be paid for maintaining the roads. That I own. I already buy the materials and (best part) pay taxes for the County to not maintain them.
Clearly, I'm simply not doing enough, nor am I paying enough for the privilege.
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Here's my thinking; the community center is about 7 miles from my house. I don't use the community center, so it doesn't seem like much of a benefit to me.
It seems like that's all the dues are used for. Why should I support this just so people I don't know can enjoy it? I've got better things to do with my money than fund somebody else's wifi.
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$30/yr for voting rights, a playground / bus stop for neighborhood kids, a nice place to meet neighbors, a place to attend many free events, and free power and wifi? Seems like a bargain to me, even if HACA did nothing else but maintain the place and pay the bills. Even absentee owners can feel good knowing they are helping to create community, and giving something to the neighborhood.
Even so, perhaps work-trade is possible? 3-4 hours a year?
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Originally posted by randomq
$30/yr for voting rights, a playground / bus stop for neighborhood kids, a nice place to meet neighbors, a place to attend many free events, and free power and wifi? Seems like a bargain to me, even if HACA did nothing else but maintain the place and pay the bills. Even absentee owners can feel good knowing they are helping to create community, and giving something to the neighborhood.
Even so, perhaps work-trade is possible? 3-4 hours a year?
you know I couldn't have said all that better if I tried ,, clear headed you are and as sharp as a tack,, you see the point clearly while the others are lost in the fog ,,, thank you !
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Originally posted by Lee M-S
Here's my thinking; the community center is about 7 miles from my house. I don't use the community center, so it doesn't seem like much of a benefit to me.
It seems like that's all the dues are used for. Why should I support this just so people I don't know can enjoy it? I've got better things to do with my money than fund somebody else's wifi.
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Originally posted by randomq
$30/yr for voting rights, a playground / bus stop for neighborhood kids, a nice place to meet neighbors, a place to attend many free events, and free power and wifi? Seems like a bargain to me, even if HACA did nothing else but maintain the place and pay the bills. Even absentee owners can feel good knowing they are helping to create community, and giving something to the neighborhood.
Even so, perhaps work-trade is possible? 3-4 hours a year?
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this is a free country ,, you have the freedom of choice ,, be my guest ,, and do not pay dues and be part of the system ,,, your choice ,,, the associations and the good folks here wont be bankrupted or corrupted by your decision to not be a part !
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lee - one of the oddities to hawaiian acres is the sheer size. the community center is there as a resource for every one. firstly you are not paying for some-one else free wi-fi. that cost is $30 for each person that signs up for it. Even seven miles in nearer than the nearest internet cafe. in order to improve that resource, as a place for members to hire, as a playground and drop off point for our children, as a place of information and assistance during crisis, as a meeting point where people can share produce and ideas, as well as a myriad of other purposes, than we need money. i also live miles away from the center, but that doesn't mean that this is not my community.
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Lee, I think you make a valid point. What would you expect from HACA to make it worthwhile for you? And would you still allocate some level of funds to community benefits, even if they did not directly benefit you?
What if you had the ability to choose which uses your membership dues went towards?
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