Solving the Welfare burden

[Rob Tucker]

This state is chock full of corporate and political welfare. There is no end to it. The various departments in the state and counties will tell you they are broke but the fact is huge amounts of money are siphoned into the pockets of the local players.

[Mimosa]

Birchl - This was a 5 part series on PBS news hour.
Very informative and addressed all the concerns both pro and con.
It is all about successes and not failures .
Free child care if you are a single parent is quite a great incentive,so the single parent can study.
Each individual has certain special needs and all are addressed to fit each persons abilities to find a logical and do able solution .
This has nothing to do with cooperate welfare and everything to do with having those who are on welfare get a job and a degree.
Hawaii the state has already changed some of their requirements and rules and i am sure more are in the works. Get involved to be part of the solution and not part of the problem.
Mrs.Mimosa

[OnoOno]

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

There are estimates that the military cannot account for 20% of their budget every year. Some of that is black ops, but much of it is waste and bad management. With the immense military presence in Hawaii, getting that mysterious 20% out of the budget would be a good first step in reducing the burden on taxpayers. And probably save hundreds of times more than cutbacks on lunches for school children.

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When I was on Oahu back in the 70's and 80's the number of PHNSY-owned tools sold and the Kam Drive-in Swap meet was astounding. I guess the feeling was, turn a bolt with a wrench, and the wrench is now yours. I don't see how they ever got a ship overhauled.

However, the military budget is just a small portion of the overall amount of $$$ (mis)spent by our favorite Uncle (Sam). Much of it is spent on Nanny-State BS that is like a hypo full of H to an addict. It makes you feel better in the short term, but just deepens and extends the overall problem in the long term. Not only is there fraud "within" the various and sundry welfare programs, those programs in-and-of-themselves are Frauds on the taxpayers, and only make things worse long-term.

The Balkanization in Hawaii is horrible. While it is true that many races live peacefully together (an admirable thing), the division between local and outsider/newcomer is disgusting. I saw in the other thread somebody mention "... my people". Your people are all Americans - period. It shouldn't matter if you are Native to Hawaii or Arkansas or regular Kansas, we are members of this country. Hawaii does not belong to the Kanaka's, it belongs to the United States - PERIOD. Get over your past, and do what I and most other successful immigrants or sons/daughters of immigrants have done - we adopted the new place and its culture as our new "us". Hawaiians voted overwhelmingly to be part of the U.S. Welcome to the new reality, folks.

I care nothing about what my ancestors were or where they come from - back in Europe somewhere. Never heard my parents or grandparents speak anything but English - never, ever. They abandoned Bavaria or Yugoslavia or wherever they came from (I care so little, I don't even know). I heard the word "Bohemia" mentioned once, but I don't think it is a country, and could care less. Might have been talking about Beer, for all I know.

The Culture of Hawaii, including Hawaii-time, Pidgin etc., is self-defeating. Backwardness abounds, and you don't usually get to where you want to go by going backwards.



Ono - So Fast - So Tasty!

[Carey]

First, Just about everyone here probably has taken some sort of "welfare" - public tax backed goods &/or services... one of the most expensive most of us have had is public schooling...

This debate takes me to a debate back years ago, when I was in honors program at a mainland public college that paid for for our tuition (of course, we had to maintain honors status to qualify)
The debate was pretty much the same as here, limit or eliminate welfare to the 'needy'. I was a tad bit older than the rest of the students, worked full time, owned my own house & paid taxes. I mentioned in class that every one of us in this program WERE RECEIVING PUBLIC WELFARE, & most likely had been throughout all of our schooling.... my, did that dust up the indignation! here were these students, most all of whom had never actually paid into the tax fund that actually PAID for education, trying to justify how they had EARNED the honors tuition reimbursement, simply by doing what they should have seen as being required in college, getting good grades for doing their best!

So, I have come to realize that most all of us do accept some publicly funded benefits, some more than others. To judge another as lacking (or a lackey) only because they accept benefits puts most of us in that "Welfare Burden"

[OnoOno]

There is a HUGE, but seemingly-invisible to some, difference between publicly-funded education, and welfare-as-a-way-of-life.

Ono - So Fast - So Tasty!

[Rob Tucker]

Let's please try to keep it Hawaii. As an example:

Public education in Hawaii can be observed as welfare in the ratio of management to teachers at DOE and the ability to spend $500 psf to build a classroom... leaving the kids with a generally weak education.

Assume the best and ask questions.

Punaweb moderator

[Carey]

The debates about establishing our nations' public education would show that well over 100 years ago, the idea of public funded education was looked at as welfare by many, esp. those raised on privately funded education...

again, it is easy to see it in others, much harder to see it in our mirrors...

[Chas]

I was waiting for Rob to shut this down for being non Hawaii.

Before he does, you may want to read this article. Here's an excerpt:

ThatÕs one key finding from a study by researchers at the University of California, Berkeley, that showed the majority of households receiving government assistance are headed by a working adult.

The study found that 56% of federal and state dollars spent between 2009 and 2011 on welfare programs Ñ including Medicaid, food stamps and the Earned Income Tax Credit Ñ flowed to working families and individuals with jobs. In some industries, about half the workforce relies on welfare.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/04/1...-have-one/

[lavalava]

Thats because corporate welfare doesnt equal living wages.

[kalakoa]

Thats because corporate welfare doesnt equal living wages.

Why should the corporates pay a living wage when the taxpayers will subsidize those underpaid workers for free?

This is before they even "double-Dutch-Irish" their profits out of the US economy.