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[hppwatchdog]

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Originally posted by mermaid53

Originally posted by Chas

Yes, it is unfortunate for those who don't have their road paved.

It means let's see what we can do to solve the problems and get EVERYONE'S road paved.
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Sadly, I don't think there's a way to do this anymore. That ship has sailed. Those of us on dirt roads are still paying the same road fees as those on paved roads. Our bond $ is all gone and won't be paid off until around 2027 AND there's a penalty if we pay it off earlier. We were told the bond was supposed to pave all our roads. Why didn't they pave them all in that 1st yr or two? Why did they do it in 4 phases or so that stretched out over several years? Then we heard prices had gone up over time on everything and sorry, but now all the roads won't be paved.

A geological engineer UH professor friend of ours along w/colleagues of his, assesses catastrophies (Kauai dam failure) and does proactive assessments all over the world. He was visiting us last yr March to assess the Hilo docks which he said needs attention. He's also written a text book that came out last year, "Soil Improvement and Ground Modification Methods".

I asked him to look at our road material. His comment was that what we had on our roads wasn't road material. It's good for gardens and base coarse under asphalt. That the combination won't bond. The cinder turns into dust over time and all you have left is the hard rock rolling around on top. That's what you see all over HPP. He asked why we weren't paying a bit more to get better quality and less turn around time in dropping more material. You get what you pay for even in road material.

How about researching what the best "road" material is? People have said 5-6 yrs ago there wasn't as many dust complaints. The material laid back then would dissipate quickly after driving down the roads. Now the dust lingers in the air and takes awhile to dissipate. Some people said they didn't have problems w/their red cinder roads until that other crappy material we all see around HPP got laid down on top of it. My red cinder road was fine until they laid that other stuff over it.

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What a bunch of crap. The red cinders used on this side of the island ALL come from the same quarry down by red road. It's people like you that make these accusations that get the others all fired up!

[mermaid53]

Woooow! I think you need to reread my post. I wasn't complaining about the red cinder.

[TomK]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was completely flummoxed by hppwatchdog's post.

[mermaid53]

Reminder...this Wed July 1 @ 6 PM at HPP Activity Center. Councilman Gregor Ilagan will be there to discuss the proposed park in HPP.

Question: The membership owns the parcels in HPP. Does a ballot need to be sent out to all the membership to get approval to deed our land away? I would think an attorney needs to get involved to review our Articles of Incorporation before the board signs on the dotted line.

[shockwave rider]

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Originally posted by pahoated

This will be entertaining to see why the county sees a great need to have lots from a private subdivision turned into a county park. It will also raise the question about the road to the park. Will the county pave that nicely while keeping to their position that roads in private subdivisions are the responsibility of the subdivision? Added to that will be the population shift to HPP for home sales, people moving to a place they think has less chance to be affected by future flows. Seems like there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news...ate-market
“I’ve seen a real increase in homes on the market right now in (Hawaiian Paradise Park) specifically,” Costa said. “I don’t know if that’s because the market coming back stronger and we see confidence in buyers, or if that is a delayed reaction to lava flow.

"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"

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There is a lot of new construction going on in HPP, and pre existing houses are also selling very quickly.

HPP had over 10,000 people in the last 10 year census, 2 years ago the census bureau estimated HPP had grown by almost another 3,000, and now I would guess it is over 15,000. By the time the next census is done I predict HPP will have the population for one county district, the rest of Puna plus a tiny sliver of Hilo will have a second one, and Hilo will continue to lose power. It is going to be hard for Hawaii County to continue to ignore a subdivision with over 20,000 people in it. When built out fully HPP will have between 30,000 and 45,000 people living in it, in politics demography is destiny.

[shockwave rider]

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Originally posted by pahoated

And the greatest need this new county within a county sees is a big park. Let's see, this is a bunch of people that can't figure out how to get their roads paved or figure out who their board members are plus a few other nuggets, and they are a threat to how this island has been run? What did this island do to deserve this kind of abuse?

"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"

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PT is making quantum leaps in logic and putting words in people's mouths again I see. No where did I say anything about a county within a county.

The utter failure of the private subdivision board as a governance model is at fault, not the people who live under it. A community of 15-30,000 people cannot be effectively governed by a poorly designed community association with very limited powers. Hawaii County allowed all these subdivisions to be set up this way because they didn't expect anyone to actually move here, and certainly didn't want them to be able to effectively self govern if they did, for that would have threatened the power center that was Hilo at the time. Shear population size is going to do the same thing, without being "a county within a county." The tiny handful of HPP residents who post here are not representative of the subdivision as a whole, and only a fool or a fundamentally dishonest person would pretend they are.

From 2010 to 2013 The State of Hawaii's population grew by 3.6%

Based on the 2010 Census 27% of the people living in Hawaiian Paradise Park were under 18, these are not retired mainlanders, their parents are probably not retired mainlanders either. The State Hawaii as a whole was 22.3 % of the population under 18.

The population of over 65 in HPP was 10.5%, many of these probably are retired mainlanders. The State Hawaii as a whole was 14.3 % of the population over 65.

So HPP actually has fewer retirement age people and more children than the State of Hawaii as a whole, I think this disproves your oft cited factoid that the people moving into and living in HPP are virtually all short term mainland transplant retirees, the numbers tell a very different story.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/

Edited to add data for Hawaii

[mermaid53]

So why aren't we using our leverage of population politically to get more of what we need in here? The County must recognize our capabilities after the last census, while HPP hasn't.

Would it be the board's job to look at the bigger picture for HPP and speak for us? I don't believe they're interested or have the know how. Form a membership committee to research? If so, it'd have to be comprised of individuals who are knowledgeable.

Did anyone attend last night's meeting regarding the park proposal? I wasn't able to attend. Any info to share?

[Seeb]

HPPOA is a corporation beholden to it share holders/lot owners. It has no care as to who actually lives here.

[Karma96749]

Those who stir the sh-t pot should have to lick the spoon.

Karma

[mermaid53]

A member who attended the "Park in HPP" mtg the other night gave me a summary. Basically that most members at the not well attended meeting have concerns about "the proposed deal w/the County". The unknowns...what if's. Increased liability and usage of our roads by people who don't live in the park driving in to use, what Greggor called HPP's park.

A member claimed that the majority of the membership want a park per a survey that was done the last time the County offered a park. Another member claims she recalled the opposite..something about HPP's website survey showed 70-80% didn't want a park.

Someone also stated the membership should vote on this issue since the land belongs to the membership. That deeding our land away is not a board decision.

Someone asked about the county land near the corner of C and L Rd and the response was it won't be considered for a park. That the residents in that area don't want the county do improve it. Others in the neighborhood want the county to take responsibility in the oversight and maintenance of it. There's issues w/long term campers. The response was that the county may be able to muster up some monies to put towards signage there to deter camping.

One of the county people reminded everyone that there is a $10,000 fine for whomever cut down the trees on county land on Beach Rd. The police are involved in the investigation and are seeking information.

The meeting was approx an hour.